Patching and Plastering - who is responsible?
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pat tracy
06-05-02, 12:15 AM
What a great site! I've learned lots. I just posted a question re: painting stipple ceilings. The painter I hired did the ceiling and it looks terrible, big patches fell off etc. He says it's because there was no primer when the ceiling was originally stippled. I've scanned the forum questions and answers and several say that oil paint should only be used on stipple ceilings... I told my painter this and he said latex paint (which he used) is fine and it's a problem with the ceiling not his painting.... I know nothing about this stuff so I'm very reluctant to get into it with him. (I also paid him already!) Is he responsible for the mess... should he make sure it looks at least as good as when he started (it looked better before he did the ceiling)? Can anyone give me some good advice (other than that I shouldn't have paid him the full amount in advance!!!) I'd really appreciate some help... many thanks in advance.
twelvepole
06-05-02, 01:53 AM
"Not allowing joint compound to dry completely before priming and painting may result in paint pulling and cracking after the finish is dry, according to information provided by United States Gypsum Co. This is especially true in corners, where several coats of paint may overlap, causing both the paint and the compound to remain wet for a longer period of time and thus retarding the drying of both. It also prevents a secure bond from forming between the coating and the substrate, because each coat of paint rewets and softens the joint compound. Because the underlying surface is wet, each overlapping coat of paint dries from the surface outward -- and the tension pulls previous coats away from the substrate. As the mud and paint continue to cure, they may do so at different rates, and cracks will show up as well." PAINTING DRYWALL: A QUIET LITTLE PROBLEM SURFACE . Retrieved 05 June 2002. http://www.paintstore.com/archives/drywall-int-patching/27.html
It is possible that the joint compound did not form a good bond with the substrate because of the drying conditions, such as high humidity when it was applied. The new wet coat of paint pulled the stipple away from the surface. Latex paint is water based and stipple is very porous, sucking up excess moisture, weighing down the stipple and pulling away the stipple from the substrate. Thus, many tend to recommend using oil-based paint on stipple for at least the first coat to seal it. Some report that if the first coat is not alkyd or oil that stipple dissolves when painted with latex paint.
http://www.paintinfo.com/tips/stip006.htm
"Textured Ceilings
Here in Ontario, as in many parts of Canada, many homes have textured ceilings that are very difficult to paint. These types of ceilings can be painted with a brush & roller, or sprayer using acrylic latex or alkyd base paints. The best way for a homeowner to paint these types of ceilings is with a 240mm roller cover and an alkyd base flat paint. When rolling the paint on the ceiling, roll from one end of the ceiling to the other without stopping. Rolling back over wet texture will pull it off. Wait 24 hours if a second coat is needed." Painting Pointers. Professional Painting & Decorating. Retrieved 05 June 2002. http://members.rogers.com/rew1/pointers.html
It pays to hire licensed and insured contractors who have liability and workers compensation insurance. If they damage your property or injure themselves on your property, your homeowner's insurance typically will not cover these problems. Hind sight is 20-20.
It is possible that the joint compound did not form a good bond with the substrate because of the drying conditions, such as high humidity when it was applied. The new wet coat of paint pulled the stipple away from the surface. Latex paint is water based and stipple is very porous, sucking up excess moisture, weighing down the stipple and pulling away the stipple from the substrate. Thus, many tend to recommend using oil-based paint on stipple for at least the first coat to seal it. Some report that if the first coat is not alkyd or oil that stipple dissolves when painted with latex paint.
http://www.paintinfo.com/tips/stip006.htm
"Textured Ceilings
Here in Ontario, as in many parts of Canada, many homes have textured ceilings that are very difficult to paint. These types of ceilings can be painted with a brush & roller, or sprayer using acrylic latex or alkyd base paints. The best way for a homeowner to paint these types of ceilings is with a 240mm roller cover and an alkyd base flat paint. When rolling the paint on the ceiling, roll from one end of the ceiling to the other without stopping. Rolling back over wet texture will pull it off. Wait 24 hours if a second coat is needed." Painting Pointers. Professional Painting & Decorating. Retrieved 05 June 2002. http://members.rogers.com/rew1/pointers.html
It pays to hire licensed and insured contractors who have liability and workers compensation insurance. If they damage your property or injure themselves on your property, your homeowner's insurance typically will not cover these problems. Hind sight is 20-20.