Wells, Sump Pumps and Septic Sewage Systems - Electrical Float Switch
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wvicw
11-06-09, 12:08 AM
I have a PumpSaverPlus Model233P a Control BOX FCEH 3599, and Square D Pumptrol.
Well water was going directly into 50gallon pressure tank.
Everything was working as it should once pressure reached to 40lb. the pump shuts off, when well water would drop down below the pump level at that point pump also shuts off.
I installed a 1500 gallon water storage tank diverted the well pump to the water storage tank, installed a Wide Angle Float Switch, two wires are coming out to the pump house.
I don’t know where to tie two wires to the existing electrical.
From electrical panel 220 wires go to pump saver L1, L2, .
From pump saver goes to Square D Pumptrol.
From Square D Pumptrol goes to Control BOX.
From Control BOX 3 wires Red, Yellow, Blk. Go to the well pump.
I need help Where to Connect the two wires from the Float Switch.
HELP PLEASE
Well water was going directly into 50gallon pressure tank.
Everything was working as it should once pressure reached to 40lb. the pump shuts off, when well water would drop down below the pump level at that point pump also shuts off.
I installed a 1500 gallon water storage tank diverted the well pump to the water storage tank, installed a Wide Angle Float Switch, two wires are coming out to the pump house.
I don’t know where to tie two wires to the existing electrical.
From electrical panel 220 wires go to pump saver L1, L2, .
From pump saver goes to Square D Pumptrol.
From Square D Pumptrol goes to Control BOX.
From Control BOX 3 wires Red, Yellow, Blk. Go to the well pump.
I need help Where to Connect the two wires from the Float Switch.
HELP PLEASE
pumpguy
11-06-09, 04:48 AM
I'm not a well guy but I'll give it a shot. If you are using the float switch to shut the pump off when the tank gets full, I would think you would need to wire it in series with one of the hot leads going to the pump. The switch would have to be one with normally closed contacts so when the switch comes up it would open and shut the pump off. Also make sure the switch is rated for the volts and amps of the pump you are using. The well guys should be able to help you further.
shane21
11-06-09, 02:06 PM
Are you pumping the well directly into the 1500 gallon storage tank or are you pumping it into the pressure tank and filling the 1500 gallon off of that pressurized system? If so then disregard the below information. If you are pumping the water from the well directly into the 1500 gallon tank (not using the existing pressure tank or pressure switch for filling the large 1500 gallon unpressurized tank) then the following is the info you need.
If you are using the new switch to turn on/off the well pump based on water level in the new 1500 gallon unpressurized tank, then you need to use the switch to break one of the legs BEFORE the PumpSaverPlus Model233P. If you break the power AFTER the PumpSaverPlus Model233P you will defeat the purpose of it which I'm assuming is to protect your pump from dry-run periods. Ideally you should use the new switch to operate the coil on a magnetic contactor so that both pump legs of power are broken when the tank is full, but breaking one leg will make the system work even if it is an electrical hazard to someone servicing it.
Everything Pumpguy said about the switch contacts and the volts/amps should be checked also.he sw
If you are using the new switch to turn on/off the well pump based on water level in the new 1500 gallon unpressurized tank, then you need to use the switch to break one of the legs BEFORE the PumpSaverPlus Model233P. If you break the power AFTER the PumpSaverPlus Model233P you will defeat the purpose of it which I'm assuming is to protect your pump from dry-run periods. Ideally you should use the new switch to operate the coil on a magnetic contactor so that both pump legs of power are broken when the tank is full, but breaking one leg will make the system work even if it is an electrical hazard to someone servicing it.
Everything Pumpguy said about the switch contacts and the volts/amps should be checked also.he sw
pumpguy
11-07-09, 07:56 AM
Using a motor contactor is a great idea. The ones I've seen take 115v to energize the coil. Would you use a leg of the pump power for this or a seperate line?
nap
11-07-09, 09:24 AM
am I missing something or is OP missing a pump?
You cannot use the same pump to fill the 1500 gallon tank and pressurize the system after the tank unless the 1500 gallon tank is also pressurized, which it isn't simply proven by the need of using a float switch.
(well, unless you want to install and configure all sorts of electrically controlled valving)
so, what do you want to do?
You cannot use the same pump to fill the 1500 gallon tank and pressurize the system after the tank unless the 1500 gallon tank is also pressurized, which it isn't simply proven by the need of using a float switch.
(well, unless you want to install and configure all sorts of electrically controlled valving)
so, what do you want to do?
shane21
11-07-09, 11:19 AM
Using a motor contactor is a great idea. The ones I've seen take 115v to energize the coil. Would you use a leg of the pump power for this or a seperate line?
Well you can get 230V coils or 115V coils. Using the contactor allows the OP to use the switch even if it isn't rated for the pump amperage. He can use a separate 115V source or one of the pump legs for the power but will still need to complete the circuit with a neutral. He said it was in a "pump house" so I'm guessing he has a 115V circuit there. If not then using a 220V coil would be easier as he can use the existing 220V lines to operate the coil as well.
Well you can get 230V coils or 115V coils. Using the contactor allows the OP to use the switch even if it isn't rated for the pump amperage. He can use a separate 115V source or one of the pump legs for the power but will still need to complete the circuit with a neutral. He said it was in a "pump house" so I'm guessing he has a 115V circuit there. If not then using a 220V coil would be easier as he can use the existing 220V lines to operate the coil as well.
shane21
11-07-09, 11:26 AM
am I missing something or is OP missing a pump?
You cannot use the same pump to fill the 1500 gallon tank and pressurize the system after the tank unless the 1500 gallon tank is also pressurized, which it isn't simply proven by the need of using a float switch.
(well, unless you want to install and configure all sorts of electrically controlled valving)
so, what do you want to do?
I'm assuming if he designed the system he also knew he needed a separate pump to draw water from the 1500 gallon tank and pressurize the house... I hope. If not I'm sure he'll be back asking why he has no water in the house :)
Or maybe better yet he put the tank above the house (on a hill or a tower) and is gonna gravity feed for pressure.
You cannot use the same pump to fill the 1500 gallon tank and pressurize the system after the tank unless the 1500 gallon tank is also pressurized, which it isn't simply proven by the need of using a float switch.
(well, unless you want to install and configure all sorts of electrically controlled valving)
so, what do you want to do?
I'm assuming if he designed the system he also knew he needed a separate pump to draw water from the 1500 gallon tank and pressurize the house... I hope. If not I'm sure he'll be back asking why he has no water in the house :)
Or maybe better yet he put the tank above the house (on a hill or a tower) and is gonna gravity feed for pressure.
nap
11-07-09, 03:09 PM
I'm assuming if he designed the system he also knew he needed a separate pump to draw water from the 1500 gallon tank and pressurize the house... I hope. If not I'm sure he'll be back asking why he has no water in the house :)
Or maybe better yet he put the tank above the house (on a hill or a tower) and is gonna gravity feed for pressure.
Think about it, he posted this:
Switch, two wires are coming out to the pump house.
I don’t know where to tie two wires to the existing electrical.
From electrical panel 220 wires go to pump saver L1, L2, .
From pump saver goes to Square D Pumptrol.
From Square D Pumptrol goes to Control BOX.
From Control BOX 3 wires Red, Yellow, Blk. Go to the well pump.
I need help Where to Connect the two wires from the Float Switch.
I think he'll be back.
Or maybe better yet he put the tank above the house (on a hill or a tower) and is gonna gravity feed for pressure.
Think about it, he posted this:
Switch, two wires are coming out to the pump house.
I don’t know where to tie two wires to the existing electrical.
From electrical panel 220 wires go to pump saver L1, L2, .
From pump saver goes to Square D Pumptrol.
From Square D Pumptrol goes to Control BOX.
From Control BOX 3 wires Red, Yellow, Blk. Go to the well pump.
I need help Where to Connect the two wires from the Float Switch.
I think he'll be back.