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dugan127
10-25-09, 06:39 AM
Hi, I have a question regarding amount of baseboard needed in my situation. I have a sunken 14x17 living room with 14' cathedral ceilings with 17' of floor to ceiling windows. This room has 19' of baseboard heat. This room flows into a kitchen/dining area that is approx 3' higher than living room. The kitchen is 15 x 19 with 14' cathedral ceilings and 14' of baseboard heat. My problem is thermostat is in living room and heat runs alot since the heat rises up to kitchen. If the LR is warm than kitchen is roasting and all dampers are closed in kitchen. I want to remove most baseboard in kitchen and let LR heat entire area. Is this a bad idea? Kind of hard to explain but I hope you understand.
Thanks,
Doug
Thanks,
Doug
dings
10-25-09, 07:16 AM
this is out of my zone of expertise but my first thought was , do you have any ceiling fans? they will help circulate the air to keep the temp more consistent from floor to ceiling.
dugan127
10-25-09, 07:46 AM
We have a ceiling fan in upper kitchen area but it has minimal effect on living room temp.
drooplug
10-25-09, 08:05 AM
It sounds like the living room and kitchen have the same ceiling height. I'm not sure if a sunken living room is making a lot more heat "rise into the kitchen". I am assuming the LR is only 12"-24" lower.
Just based on what you have told me, the LR has a lot of windows, and I assume the kitchen doesn't because of cabinetry. Yet they have a similar amount of radiation. The windows will loose a lot more heat than a wall will.
My advice (not expert advice), would be to figure out your heat loss for the living room and kitchen. That way you can size the radiator length appropriatly in the kitchen. I don't think you will want to get rid of all the kitchen baseboard, but it is obvious that it is too much.
Just based on what you have told me, the LR has a lot of windows, and I assume the kitchen doesn't because of cabinetry. Yet they have a similar amount of radiation. The windows will loose a lot more heat than a wall will.
My advice (not expert advice), would be to figure out your heat loss for the living room and kitchen. That way you can size the radiator length appropriatly in the kitchen. I don't think you will want to get rid of all the kitchen baseboard, but it is obvious that it is too much.
dugan127
10-25-09, 08:39 AM
The kitchen has 3 steps (3') down to living room. Both ceilings are 14' high . Heat rises up slanted cathedral living room ceiling to end of LR where kitchen ceiling is 3' higher where they meet due to sunken LR. Kitchen is around 4 degrees warmer on average but has been 10+ degrees when kitchen is in use with all kitchens dampers closed. The problems lies when the thermosat in LR call for heat the kitchen receives heat as well. I am trying to draw a diagram to post to show cross section.
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poorplmbr
10-25-09, 09:11 AM
Just a thought ...can either romm be piped on a seperate zone?Much more efficient that way anyway....
drooplug
10-25-09, 09:20 AM
The kitchen has 3 steps (3') down to living room. Both ceilings are 14' high . Heat rises up slanted cathedral living room ceiling to end of LR where kitchen ceiling is 3' higher where they meet due to sunken LR. Kitchen is around 4 degrees warmer on average but has been 10+ degrees when kitchen is in use with all kitchens dampers closed. The problems lies when the thermosat in LR call for heat the kitchen receives heat as well. I am trying to draw a diagram to post to show cross section.
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My point is that the 3' difference in ceiling height is not the problem, it is too much radiation in the Kitchen. So My feeling is that removing all of the baseboard from the kitchen will make the kitchen cold.
Of course the kitchen is hot when in use. That is always the case when you have the stove and oven going. You are better off figuring out how to remove the heat from the kitchen in that circumstance.
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My point is that the 3' difference in ceiling height is not the problem, it is too much radiation in the Kitchen. So My feeling is that removing all of the baseboard from the kitchen will make the kitchen cold.
Of course the kitchen is hot when in use. That is always the case when you have the stove and oven going. You are better off figuring out how to remove the heat from the kitchen in that circumstance.