Toilets, Sinks, Showers, Tubs and Disposals - FLANGE TOO HIGH Please help
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jfmid
10-24-09, 02:09 PM
:wall:
My flange is too high. Discovered this as I seated new toilet with a new wax ring and new sealer all over the bottom edge of the toilet. Now have a toilet that rocks like a see/saw in a playground and sealer mushed all over the floor. Ok I can wipe/clean up the sealer and get a new wax ring - no problem, My dilemma is how do I lower the closet flange. The new tile placed around the flange left a gap of 3/8" or to put it another way the bottom of the closet flange is 3/8" off of the tile. There is also a big gap from where the tile ends to the flange perimeter. Seems the tiler didn't want to place under the flange.
I dont know what the proper gap is all I know is that the toilet rocks alot when I seated it.
Ok onto the flange. It is metal and seems very securely attached to the 4" drain. It seems solid and not bent or damaged. I have pics if someone can help me as to how to post them.
I await the wisdom of the gods of Plumbing. In the mean time I will drink wine and pray.
As always thanks to anyone in advance who helps me. I love this site.
John
My flange is too high. Discovered this as I seated new toilet with a new wax ring and new sealer all over the bottom edge of the toilet. Now have a toilet that rocks like a see/saw in a playground and sealer mushed all over the floor. Ok I can wipe/clean up the sealer and get a new wax ring - no problem, My dilemma is how do I lower the closet flange. The new tile placed around the flange left a gap of 3/8" or to put it another way the bottom of the closet flange is 3/8" off of the tile. There is also a big gap from where the tile ends to the flange perimeter. Seems the tiler didn't want to place under the flange.
I dont know what the proper gap is all I know is that the toilet rocks alot when I seated it.
Ok onto the flange. It is metal and seems very securely attached to the 4" drain. It seems solid and not bent or damaged. I have pics if someone can help me as to how to post them.
I await the wisdom of the gods of Plumbing. In the mean time I will drink wine and pray.
As always thanks to anyone in advance who helps me. I love this site.
John
shacko
10-24-09, 03:29 PM
:wall:
My flange is too high. Discovered this as I seated new toilet with a new wax ring and new sealer all over the bottom edge of the toilet. Now have a toilet that rocks like a see/saw in a playground and sealer mushed all over the floor. Ok I can wipe/clean up the sealer and get a new wax ring - no problem, My dilemma is how do I lower the closet flange. The new tile placed around the flange left a gap of 3/8" or to put it another way the bottom of the closet flange is 3/8" off of the tile. There is also a big gap from where the tile ends to the flange perimeter. Seems the tiler didn't want to place under the flange.
I dont know what the proper gap is all I know is that the toilet rocks alot when I seated it.
Ok onto the flange. It is metal and seems very securely attached to the 4" drain. It seems solid and not bent or damaged. I have pics if someone can help me as to how to post them.
I await the wisdom of the gods of Plumbing. In the mean time I will drink wine and pray.
As always thanks to anyone in advance who helps me. I love this site.
John
If you are talking about an existing flange, how did it get above the tile? The bottom of your flange should set on top of the tile, or close.
If you are talking about the toilet not hitting the floor because the tile is not close enough, you will have to shim the toilet up ( I use cedar shingles ) set your toilet and then slide shingles around the base until it's near level and it doesn't rock, then tighten the bolts down snug, leave the shingles in until the toilet is tested, then cut them off flush with the side of the bowl, when thats done you can seal the bottom of the bowl.
If my response doesn't work with your situation, I need more information. :confused:
My flange is too high. Discovered this as I seated new toilet with a new wax ring and new sealer all over the bottom edge of the toilet. Now have a toilet that rocks like a see/saw in a playground and sealer mushed all over the floor. Ok I can wipe/clean up the sealer and get a new wax ring - no problem, My dilemma is how do I lower the closet flange. The new tile placed around the flange left a gap of 3/8" or to put it another way the bottom of the closet flange is 3/8" off of the tile. There is also a big gap from where the tile ends to the flange perimeter. Seems the tiler didn't want to place under the flange.
I dont know what the proper gap is all I know is that the toilet rocks alot when I seated it.
Ok onto the flange. It is metal and seems very securely attached to the 4" drain. It seems solid and not bent or damaged. I have pics if someone can help me as to how to post them.
I await the wisdom of the gods of Plumbing. In the mean time I will drink wine and pray.
As always thanks to anyone in advance who helps me. I love this site.
John
If you are talking about an existing flange, how did it get above the tile? The bottom of your flange should set on top of the tile, or close.
If you are talking about the toilet not hitting the floor because the tile is not close enough, you will have to shim the toilet up ( I use cedar shingles ) set your toilet and then slide shingles around the base until it's near level and it doesn't rock, then tighten the bolts down snug, leave the shingles in until the toilet is tested, then cut them off flush with the side of the bowl, when thats done you can seal the bottom of the bowl.
If my response doesn't work with your situation, I need more information. :confused:
jfmid
10-24-09, 05:25 PM
The old wire lathe and mud / tile floor was very thick. The new tile was laid down and the installer didn't put enough mud down so that the tiles were up flush under the flange. there is also a gap around the perimeter of the flange where the tile stopped short. So basically the flange is floating in air.
So if I understand you correctly I must place cedar shingles down and set the tank on top of them and level the the toilet on top of them. It seems that I will need a lot of shims. There will probably be about 1/4" gap all around the perimeter of the toilet. Is that ok? It doesnt seem like a good long term solution If that is what I have to do so be it.
Thanks for you advice.
John
So if I understand you correctly I must place cedar shingles down and set the tank on top of them and level the the toilet on top of them. It seems that I will need a lot of shims. There will probably be about 1/4" gap all around the perimeter of the toilet. Is that ok? It doesnt seem like a good long term solution If that is what I have to do so be it.
Thanks for you advice.
John