Communications: Voice, Radio and Data - Newbie Wants to Heat Up 9 Jack Locations
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Hoshwa
08-16-09, 12:13 AM
I am somewhat new to phone wiring, although have done simple daisy chain type wiring in other houses, as well as wiring up my phone company connection into my home that I recently remodeled and spliced some connectors using UY connectors to heat up a few jacks. I have a home run closet with two CAT5e cables 4 Pair coming from each jack location. in case I want to do voice as well as computer. I am not real familiar with punch down blocks. All I want to do is run one phone number to 7 RJ11 jack locations, that phone number and a second phone numbers to 1 jack location, and a third phone number to one jack location currently. In other words, I will have 7 single line telephones (7 locations), one two line telephone (that phone number and a second phone number) at one location and one single line telephone with a third number to one jack location. Do I need a punch down block, or is there a screw terminal type of block for my homerun closet that would be easier for me to use? I do plan on installing DSL and running wireless right now. I can do it through hard wiring, but do not see why. Wireless is so good. Can anyone help? Thanks.
mango man
08-16-09, 06:27 AM
I would punch all four pairs of each voice cable down to a 66 block then its simply a matter of cross connecting what lines you want to what location
nine 4 pair cables would require two blocks
you can use the non cut side of the 66 tool to daisy chain the cross connect wire for multiple appearance of the lines
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nine 4 pair cables would require two blocks
you can use the non cut side of the 66 tool to daisy chain the cross connect wire for multiple appearance of the lines
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furd
08-16-09, 10:12 AM
I agree with Mango, punch-down blocks are the way to go. If space is at a premium and you don't mind the extra cost you can use 110-style punch-down blocks. Nothing beats the punch-down blocks and individual (home) runs to each jack for versatility.
My preference is to not run telephone and Ethernet in the same cable but to use separate cables. You do not need the higher specs of Cat. 5 for telephone service. Using a four-pair Cat. 3 for telephone service gives you the ability to have four separate telephone lines on each cable run.
Wired data circuits are, and always will be, more secure than wireless. Wired circuits are also more reliable in my experience.
My preference is to not run telephone and Ethernet in the same cable but to use separate cables. You do not need the higher specs of Cat. 5 for telephone service. Using a four-pair Cat. 3 for telephone service gives you the ability to have four separate telephone lines on each cable run.
Wired data circuits are, and always will be, more secure than wireless. Wired circuits are also more reliable in my experience.
Hoshwa
08-16-09, 11:24 AM
Actually space is not at a premium. I have mounted a piece of plywood in my homerun closet that is probably 4' x 4'. Is the 66 block easier to work with. Why did you say for 9 4 pair cables, I need two blocks? Wouldn't 1 50 pair block work, or is it that that is just more expensive? Also, is there a good tutorial on punching down such blocks, particularly how to cross connect the lines so that I can determine which location on the block goes to which jack location. I have a book written by Mike Gorman on cabling but I think I must not be advanced enough to understand it as it seems to skip some steps and pictures that for a newbie are very important.
furd
08-16-09, 01:35 PM
If you can find a fifty-pair 66 block you may certainly use it. I have a few links on structured wiring (including telephone wiring) that I will look for later today or late night. You might try just doing a Google search using the term structured wiring and see what comes up.
furd
08-16-09, 03:14 PM
This is one of the best sites I know of for information on doing structured wiring in a home.
structured wiring how to (http://www.swhowto.com/)
structured wiring how to (http://www.swhowto.com/)
mango man
08-16-09, 04:32 PM
50 pair block would work but I would use two 50 pair blocks
(actually a 25 pair block is a oddity )
station cables on one side (6 per block =24 pair)
dial tone on the other
cleaner and easier that way also makes it a lot simpler to troubleshoot
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(actually a 25 pair block is a oddity )
station cables on one side (6 per block =24 pair)
dial tone on the other
cleaner and easier that way also makes it a lot simpler to troubleshoot
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Hoshwa
08-16-09, 08:34 PM
So I would punch my incoming 4 pair on the first 50 pair block and then 6x4 = 24 pair on the same block and then daisy chain that block to another 50 pair block and punch down 3X4=12 pair on the second 50 pair block? Anywhere you can think of where I can see a schematic of such a setup or a video on how to do it. It can't be that touch. I am pretty electronically inclined, I just have never worked with these punch down blocks before! I was actually thinking of daisy chaining 9 screw terminal bisquits together originally and doing it that way, before I starting looking at punch blocks. Hey, for 8 single line stations, and one two line station, it made sense to me. May sound silly for a newbie!!!
50 pair block would work but I would use two 50 pair blocks
(actually a 25 pair block is a oddity )
station cables on one side (6 per block =24 pair)
dial tone on the other
cleaner and easier that way also makes it a lot simpler to troubleshoot
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50 pair block would work but I would use two 50 pair blocks
(actually a 25 pair block is a oddity )
station cables on one side (6 per block =24 pair)
dial tone on the other
cleaner and easier that way also makes it a lot simpler to troubleshoot
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mango man
08-17-09, 06:16 AM
a 50 pair block is split , 25 pins on each side split in the middle 2 pins on each side independent of each other
a 25 pair block has the four pins connected
I would punch 6 station cables on the left side of the first block then the other three on the let side of the second block
dial tone would come in on top four pins of the right side of the first block
then use single pair jumper wire to run dial tone to the pins you want the lines on
you would then use bridging clips to common the pins and activate the jacks
so you would have dial tone on the right , station cables on the left
changes and troubleshooting is very easy with this arrangement
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a 25 pair block has the four pins connected
I would punch 6 station cables on the left side of the first block then the other three on the let side of the second block
dial tone would come in on top four pins of the right side of the first block
then use single pair jumper wire to run dial tone to the pins you want the lines on
you would then use bridging clips to common the pins and activate the jacks
so you would have dial tone on the right , station cables on the left
changes and troubleshooting is very easy with this arrangement
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mango man
08-17-09, 06:28 AM
heres a picture of a split 50 pair 66 block with bridging clips to give you a Idea of the set up
the pins on the right and left are interdependent the bridging clips , "bridge " them and make them common
http://images.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/6/66/66_block.jpg
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the pins on the right and left are interdependent the bridging clips , "bridge " them and make them common
http://images.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/6/66/66_block.jpg
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