Water Softeners and Air Filtration Systems - Pelican Salt free system
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Oksooner
04-21-09, 01:35 PM
First off, I just want to say how informative this forum has been on water softener units. I can't believe consumer reports has nothing listed on this subject. It also seems many people are getting ripped off and don't even realize. I quickly called Puronics today and canceled my appointment after reading the post on this site. I'm glad I've taken so time to do some research in to this subject.
Anybody have any feeling towards a Pelican salt free system? I'm looking at purchasing the PSE 1800 combo unit. I feel this unit might be the way for me to go. I can tap right into my main water line into the house and not have to worry about a separate water line for watering outside. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
Brian
Anybody have any feeling towards a Pelican salt free system? I'm looking at purchasing the PSE 1800 combo unit. I feel this unit might be the way for me to go. I can tap right into my main water line into the house and not have to worry about a separate water line for watering outside. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
Brian
Gunguy45
04-21-09, 02:01 PM
You are going to get several responses...but when I asked a similar question..I was convinced that no salt systems don't work as advertised. Not sure about the pelican thing..but I'm sure you'll hear back.
Stoopalini
04-21-09, 03:21 PM
I too looked into the no-salt softners, and wasn't pleased with what I found. I'm now considering a Fleck 5600 internet buy, or a local installer offered to install a Powerline system (Kinetico unit) for $1495. I haven't researched the Powerline yet, so not sure which way we're going to go.
Are you pre-plumbed for a system?
BTW: I'm just north of you in Liberty Hill (just N of 183 & 29) ... small world I guess. Maybe we can talk a local dealer into a group buy?
Thomas.
Are you pre-plumbed for a system?
BTW: I'm just north of you in Liberty Hill (just N of 183 & 29) ... small world I guess. Maybe we can talk a local dealer into a group buy?
Thomas.
biermech
04-21-09, 08:26 PM
I lived in Georgetown and Round Rock for 13 years while in the water treatment business. I know all the dealers in the area and their ways of doing business. If you want a good local dealer who will treat you right, and not ask an arm and leg for the unit, call Tommy Dorsey Water. He sells a Fleck 5600 metered unit installed on a pre-plum for around $895.00. He taught me the business and I respect him and his ways of doing business.
Oksooner
04-21-09, 08:56 PM
So far I think for me a "Water Conditioner and Filter" is the way I'm headed. A water Softener adds salt or potassium and has lots of upkeep. I guess what I'm trying to accomplish is 1. Saving my appliances and pipes from the wear and tear of hard water. 2. Not looking at the white film in the shower, tub, sinks, faucets, dishes, etc....
Other factors I'm looking at, are that "softeners" remove most or all minerals such as calcium and potassium etc... I work in health care, (Cardiac), and see a majority of patients with deficiencies in minerals on a regular basis. The World Health Organization has even gone on record by saying that RO is one of the worst ways to filter water, because it depletes major minerals. I guess it depends on what you are looking for and what you are wanting the unit to do. Also, I do not have to bypass my water faucets to the outside of the house.
I'll have a look at the Kinetico. I've read here they are very good.
No, my system is not "pre-plumbed. A guy I work with, we are researching all this together. We will more than likely buy the same unit and help one another install the units.
I'd be interested to hear more why some are steering away from the salt free systems.
B
Other factors I'm looking at, are that "softeners" remove most or all minerals such as calcium and potassium etc... I work in health care, (Cardiac), and see a majority of patients with deficiencies in minerals on a regular basis. The World Health Organization has even gone on record by saying that RO is one of the worst ways to filter water, because it depletes major minerals. I guess it depends on what you are looking for and what you are wanting the unit to do. Also, I do not have to bypass my water faucets to the outside of the house.
I'll have a look at the Kinetico. I've read here they are very good.
No, my system is not "pre-plumbed. A guy I work with, we are researching all this together. We will more than likely buy the same unit and help one another install the units.
I'd be interested to hear more why some are steering away from the salt free systems.
B
AndyC
04-22-09, 05:15 AM
So far I think for me a "Water Conditioner and Filter" is the way I'm headed. A water Softener adds salt or potassium and has lots of upkeep. I guess what I'm trying to accomplish is 1. Saving my appliances and pipes from the wear and tear of hard water. 2. Not looking at the white film in the shower, tub, sinks, faucets, dishes, etc....
B
What you might find interesting about these so called salt-free softeners is that they are sold on-line. They market to those they want to believe will get the same results without adding 'salt' to their water, which softeners should not do. Sodium yes, salt, no.
The second-most complaint (next to NOT WORKIN) is that customer service is non-existent except that they want to sell you a "bigger" one.
You might notice, also, that local dealers rarely sell these things because they don't work and don't want to have to service them or constantly explain to their customers (face-to-face) why they don't match expectations. So they are sold on-line and refunds are very difficult, if not impossible, to get.
If they worked, I would be selling them.
Also, what makes you think you won't get that white film (soap scum) on shower walls? Is this an actual claim from an ad that you read or are you making a deduction from their info? Good luck there. Ice-makers, dishwashers, etc., will still suffer hardwater results.
What do you mean a softener has 'lot of upkeep'? Certainly, you need to add salt, but other than that, what? The benefits and cost savings far outweigh the 'upkeep', in my opinion.
Other factors I'm looking at, are that "softeners" remove most or all minerals such as calcium and potassium etc... I work in health care, (Cardiac), and see a majority of patients with deficiencies in minerals on a regular basis. The World Health Organization has even gone on record by saying that RO is one of the worst ways to filter water, because it depletes major minerals. I guess it depends on what you are looking for and what you are wanting the unit to do. Also, I do not have to bypass my water faucets to the outside of the house.
B
You say "factors". How does a softener remove potassium? Did you read this somewhere? How much potassium is in your water now and how much would a softener remove? Testing would determine that. How many dozens of gallons of your water would you need to drink to the potassium from half a banana? I prefer not 'factoring' health issues without more information.
If you really work in a health care facility, then I don't need to tell you that proper diet and suppliments are the greatest way to get nutrients, including calcium. The amount calcium in a glass of milk, you would have to drink gallons and gallons of water--and that would be extremely dangerous.
Water should a transporter of nutrients, not a supplier.
Where are you getting the details the WHO says ROs are the worst way to treat water? I suppose from those marketing other products.
Instead, go their site and do a search. You will be amazed at the hundreds of links that attribute to the benefits of RO water. Of the 1340 links below, can you find one that says RO water is harmful or should be avoided at the World Health Organization website?
Search results: reverse osmosis (http://search.who.int/search?ie=utf8&site=default_collection&client=WHO&proxystylesheet=WHO&output=xml_no_dtd&oe=utf8&q=reverse+osmosis&Search=Search)
Please avoid taking marketing ads from a company that promotes a particular method of treatment and attributing as a true and sole source of information and authority on a topic.
I'll have a look at the Kinetico. I've read here they are very good.
No, my system is not "pre-plumbed. A guy I work with, we are researching all this together. We will more than likely buy the same unit and help one another install the units.
I'd be interested to hear more why some are steering away from the salt free systems.
B
I like Kinetico but there are many types of equipment and campanies that can serve your needs.
One of the key reasons to decide whether or not to select a water treatment is certification from independent, testing labs such as NSF, UL, WQA, Biovir Labs, etc. Basing claims on websites that use psuedosciences and self-promotional motivations must be taken with caution. Some, I believe, are absolute nonsense.
Go ahead and buy one and you can be the judge if your pipes are getting clogged or not. Of course, if the problem didn't exist in the first place, then you can claim it works great.
Good luck.
Andy Christensen, CWS-II
B
What you might find interesting about these so called salt-free softeners is that they are sold on-line. They market to those they want to believe will get the same results without adding 'salt' to their water, which softeners should not do. Sodium yes, salt, no.
The second-most complaint (next to NOT WORKIN) is that customer service is non-existent except that they want to sell you a "bigger" one.
You might notice, also, that local dealers rarely sell these things because they don't work and don't want to have to service them or constantly explain to their customers (face-to-face) why they don't match expectations. So they are sold on-line and refunds are very difficult, if not impossible, to get.
If they worked, I would be selling them.
Also, what makes you think you won't get that white film (soap scum) on shower walls? Is this an actual claim from an ad that you read or are you making a deduction from their info? Good luck there. Ice-makers, dishwashers, etc., will still suffer hardwater results.
What do you mean a softener has 'lot of upkeep'? Certainly, you need to add salt, but other than that, what? The benefits and cost savings far outweigh the 'upkeep', in my opinion.
Other factors I'm looking at, are that "softeners" remove most or all minerals such as calcium and potassium etc... I work in health care, (Cardiac), and see a majority of patients with deficiencies in minerals on a regular basis. The World Health Organization has even gone on record by saying that RO is one of the worst ways to filter water, because it depletes major minerals. I guess it depends on what you are looking for and what you are wanting the unit to do. Also, I do not have to bypass my water faucets to the outside of the house.
B
You say "factors". How does a softener remove potassium? Did you read this somewhere? How much potassium is in your water now and how much would a softener remove? Testing would determine that. How many dozens of gallons of your water would you need to drink to the potassium from half a banana? I prefer not 'factoring' health issues without more information.
If you really work in a health care facility, then I don't need to tell you that proper diet and suppliments are the greatest way to get nutrients, including calcium. The amount calcium in a glass of milk, you would have to drink gallons and gallons of water--and that would be extremely dangerous.
Water should a transporter of nutrients, not a supplier.
Where are you getting the details the WHO says ROs are the worst way to treat water? I suppose from those marketing other products.
Instead, go their site and do a search. You will be amazed at the hundreds of links that attribute to the benefits of RO water. Of the 1340 links below, can you find one that says RO water is harmful or should be avoided at the World Health Organization website?
Search results: reverse osmosis (http://search.who.int/search?ie=utf8&site=default_collection&client=WHO&proxystylesheet=WHO&output=xml_no_dtd&oe=utf8&q=reverse+osmosis&Search=Search)
Please avoid taking marketing ads from a company that promotes a particular method of treatment and attributing as a true and sole source of information and authority on a topic.
I'll have a look at the Kinetico. I've read here they are very good.
No, my system is not "pre-plumbed. A guy I work with, we are researching all this together. We will more than likely buy the same unit and help one another install the units.
I'd be interested to hear more why some are steering away from the salt free systems.
B
I like Kinetico but there are many types of equipment and campanies that can serve your needs.
One of the key reasons to decide whether or not to select a water treatment is certification from independent, testing labs such as NSF, UL, WQA, Biovir Labs, etc. Basing claims on websites that use psuedosciences and self-promotional motivations must be taken with caution. Some, I believe, are absolute nonsense.
Go ahead and buy one and you can be the judge if your pipes are getting clogged or not. Of course, if the problem didn't exist in the first place, then you can claim it works great.
Good luck.
Andy Christensen, CWS-II