Electronic Alarms and Home Security Devices - Remove disconnect phone line from system

1. I have a ADT monitor system but the system is made by DSC Power 632 not sure the model of the control panel. Anyway I would like to have the system not monitor the phone line? I would like to remove the phone line and not have the system display the trouble light (amber) on so I can turn the alarm on. I was told this is possible but if the alarm goes off the ADT center will not get a signal which is fine cause I'm going to stop the monitoring service. I work from home now and home at night.

2. Also would it be possible to buy the cell phone hardware to have it cal my cell phone if so where can I purchase that hardware?

hit * 8 5555 then hit 015 then 7 to turn off the # 7 hit # # tada no more phone line monitor ;)

hit * 8 5555 then hit 015 then 7 to turn off the # 7 hit # # tada no more phone line monitor ;)

this is to turn of zone 7? Is zone 7 the phone line?

WHat if I want to reverse this setting, meaning turn the phone line monitor back on?

NO- its not turning off ZONE 7, the ZONE 7 LED is defined as TLM {telephone line monitoring} LED 7 lit, TLM is on, LED 7 off, TLM is off (turned on & off by pressing the "7" button)
- the 015 is the programming section, LED 7 is the feature in that section.
this feature is what is "looking" to see if a phone line is connected & that it hasnt been tampered with. Turning this feature OFF allows anything to happen to the line and the panel ignores it. _ no trouble light comes on

When you do a star (*) 2, and see trouble conditions- a LED 4 lit, doesnt mean its zone 4, the LED/s take on a new meaning in programming too.


cellular- NO you cant get a cellular back-up to call a cellular phone. Not sure if anyone is making them, but there was a company making a device your cellular phone would connect to and allow a standard telephone to function over the cellular network. Not sure if anyone is making them today with the digital telephones, i had one years ago for the motorola starTAC, it had an RJ-11 jack on it that you could have used on the communicator of an alarm, prior to that motorola made a simular device that was used on 3 watt installed phones and was the basis for cellular back-up 1st generation- a 12 volt, 3 watt cellular telephone installed in a metal box with a mag mounted antenna that would act as a wireless RJ-11 jack. If the alarm company was good, they would also run this "line" into a telephone system of the business or home and give the clients a back-up telephone line for voice use if needed. you would connect it using an RJ-31 so the alarm would have priority over this as well.
In some bank jobs we would have such a telephone in the safe so that there would be a means of making outgoing calls if needed during a hold up.

But i think that is long gone for anyone right now.

thanks for the info...but I can't get it to work....

I hit *8 5555 then I hear a long (1-2 second) beep then 015 but nothing lights up for the LED. I mean 7 is not lite up. I then disconnected the line in the control box in the closet then after a few minutes (1-2) the trouble light is turn on.

IS the 5555 the master code...what if is not the master for me. I mean this code is not the same code used to arm/disarm but is the tech's code?


I have the PC5508Z panel.
thanks again....

then 5555 is NOT the installers code


maybe try the arm/dis-arm code

other than that, yer out-a luck, i doubt they will give it to you

i assumed you had this code.

If you do get the Installers code, you need to follow the directions as stated. It would / can be very easy to mess something else up.

Since this was put in by ADT, try running a websearch using the phrase: "ADT installer code"

(ADT installer code - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=ADT+installer+code&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a))

Once you have that 4 digit number, plug it in place of the factory default 5555 code.

Ok I finally got the installer code. But before I changed the phone supervision to off I decided to test the system.

I have cable phone service meaning no regular land line. So the cable company's line comes into the house and into a cable modem. From there the cable modem has a phone line (regular line RJ11??) into the wall jack (wall plate) which feeds the rest of the house's wall plates. Well I disconnected the cable companies line coming from the wall into the modem all phones went dead as expected. But the alarm panel never showed trouble light. At another time in the past I have disconnected the RJ45 cable in the alarm box in the closet from the phone line connector and that made the trouble light come on.

So I was wanting to test the phone supervision setting if I turn it off and I won't be able to now cause I can not mimick the phone going dead if I unplug the line coming into the modem and the alarm doesn't recongnize that.

Is the alarm wired to the old land line? That has no service but wondering if the can still use it to comunicate with the service center?

The reason I'm going thru all this mess is cause the alarm does go off in the early monrning like 2-5 am sometimes and the service center never calls and they never recieve the signal from the triped alarm. Then when I find out the trouble light display's bad comminication line. This is a problem and especailly when you have kids.

it may be a FAIL to COMMUNICATE its attempting to send a test signal, and because there is no answer on the other end (central station) the alarm trips the trouble.

There could still be enough voltage on the old POTS (plain old telephone service) line, that the panel doesnt see it as a trouble.


I would shut off ALL communications- section 380 LED 1 OFF

before doing the above- you can change the TEST TRANSMISSION TIME of DAY- section 378 to another time- entered in 24hr format and see if that changes the time the trouble happens.

Most central stations want test signals to come in during off hours, so as to not tie up lines when most false alarms are generated. So, if you change the time, and the trouble changes too- then you know thats what the problem is, and not the trouble showing up as TLM.

Most installing companies do NOT use the TLM. So my guess is its not on, and the test signal is whats causing the trouble - fail to communicate

If you want that off- enter a time of 99999 in section 378

ALSO-

if the RJ-31 / 38 is connected properly, when the cable company back-feeds their dial tone using an existing jack- the alarm is not connected to the outside line properly.


It wll show a dial tone at the panel- but on the wrong side- it is on the yellow & black, not the red & green.

When the panel siezes the line during any communications, the dial tone is gone.

Iam guessing they connected the modem in a room that has a telephone jack, back-feeds into the rest of the house, and outside at the demarc they disconnect the telephone pole

this way all your jacks you've had still work, and they are in & out in a few minutes.

LOCKtec,
Thanks for ALL the info. Let me try to explain the issue. The alarm goes off (tripped) at night and not regaulary meaning is radom, not weekly not monthly.

I had ADT test the comunication line before and they can see the system. Also they have sent tech out to fix the wiring on the house cause the cable guy did EXACTLY what you mentiong on your second post.

"Iam guessing they connected the modem in a room that has a telephone jack, back-feeds into the rest of the house, and outside at the demarc they disconnect the telephone pole"

I remember now te ADT tech went into the control box in closet and rewired something and was complaning about the cable guys crap work..lol.

What would be a SAFE test to make sure the alarm doesn't trip while a sleep unless I reach for the you know what. I don't want any false alarms ...if goes off at night I'm reaching and pointing...

Should I turn of line supervision then how I test if phone dies the alarm doesn't go off?
- Turn of line supervision
- Disconnect the line in the control box in the closet from the
RJ11 box
- Set the alarm if I can without the trouble light?

I'm just wnating to make sure once I tung off the line supervison and if alarm goes off is not cause fail to communicate

then the cable company is loosing the dial tone.... this happens as i too have a telephone line hooked up with them - not a VOIP line per si, but all in one unit with high speed internet & telephone service.

Chances are the ADT guy didnt correct any of the wiring, just hooked the yellow & black wires to the red & green to allow communications from the panel., i doubt it siezes the line

If your not going to be monitored- shut off communications section 380, and just to be safe change the transmission time to - 9999

I just turn of the line supervision (LED 7 light off) and disconnect the line in the control box in the closet. I'm not seeing the trouble light on on the panel. So I'm thinking it's ok and if the phone goes dead while the alarm is armed it will not trip or go off. Correct?

OK- but if it attempts to make a call, its not going to be able to with no line connected... you will then get a FAIL TO COMMUNICATE

shut off communications if your not being monitored. section 380 LED 1

why would the alarm try to make a call? Does this happen when it tries to test the communication line? If so can I turn of the testing of the line?

for any reason-

if the alarm trips-
trouble with anything- battery, A/C loss...etc.
periodic test transmission

well I understand when the alarm trips it tries to communicate with the Service Center. As of right now the alarm should not trip if the phone goes dead (no dial tone) correct? Because I have turn of LED 7 off on 015.

But if the line is being test by some schedule testing of the line and there is no dial tone would the alarm go off?

YES


there is NO reason NOT to disable communications- if its not being monitored, and no telephone line is connected - shut off communications. Then there is no possibility of it sounding for a FAIL to COMMUNICATE