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l_bones
03-10-09, 09:46 PM
Hey everyone! I have read many posts on this site from google searches so I figured here would be a good place to start.
I am looking to redesign my back rooms/bathroom areas. I live in a steel building warehouse style house where all the interior walls are concrete and would be demolished and framed where required. I'm not afraid of the work - just if I will like the end result.
What do you think of the before (top) and after (bottom) images shown below?
The first layout is the before (now).
The second layout is with a large master bedroom.
The third layout is with a master and guest bedroom.
Thanks!
http://www.the-real.com/mako/data/media/4/before_and_after_2.jpg
I am looking to redesign my back rooms/bathroom areas. I live in a steel building warehouse style house where all the interior walls are concrete and would be demolished and framed where required. I'm not afraid of the work - just if I will like the end result.
What do you think of the before (top) and after (bottom) images shown below?
The first layout is the before (now).
The second layout is with a large master bedroom.
The third layout is with a master and guest bedroom.
Thanks!
http://www.the-real.com/mako/data/media/4/before_and_after_2.jpg
chandler
03-11-09, 04:52 AM
Welcome to the forums! First, any bedroom must have a closet, so making the smaller guest bedroom won't work without a closet, and I'm sure you don't have enough room for it. In addition, you won't like the smaller master bedroom. I wouldn't like giving up my private exit to the deck or patio, either. Where are the remaining bedrooms, upstairs?
You will need the assistance of a structural engineer to make sure you can remove the walls you propose, especially if there is a second floor.
You will need the assistance of a structural engineer to make sure you can remove the walls you propose, especially if there is a second floor.
pmgca
03-11-09, 06:32 AM
Hi l_bones,
Do you mean concrete walls or concrete block walls? The projects I did in Bahamas required walls (and structure) for hurricane protection, so I am not sure if you really can demolish any wall you wish
Anyway, the corridor in the third plan (bottom) is too long and creates a lot of wasted space
Suggestion: if you wish to add a second bedroom, try this: move the office where the living room is now (right bottom of the plan), so the current office + bedroom will become living / dining
Do you mean concrete walls or concrete block walls? The projects I did in Bahamas required walls (and structure) for hurricane protection, so I am not sure if you really can demolish any wall you wish
Anyway, the corridor in the third plan (bottom) is too long and creates a lot of wasted space
Suggestion: if you wish to add a second bedroom, try this: move the office where the living room is now (right bottom of the plan), so the current office + bedroom will become living / dining
l_bones
03-11-09, 09:46 AM
Thanks everyone. This is a single story steel framed building. All the interior walls are non-structural. In fact they don't even go all the way up, and the whole house was relatively open before. There is only a patio at the main entrance to the house opposite the kitchen. The other doors in the bedroom area and the laundry room are emergency/utility doors.
I played around with the layout of the two bedroom and office and put a closet taking out of the office area a bit.
It is just me living here for now. I wonder if I shouldn't just do the single master bedroom layout. I planned on putting a murphy bed in the office for house guests which are few and far between.
The building was all open to the steel frame/insulation so I have been adding in ceilings and what not as I go. The walls never went all the way up for circulation, and we never had doors except on the bathroom!
Here's a few pics of the before after I have done so far:
Kitchen
before (during deconstruction)
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/80/PC163799.jpg
after (almost done)
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/80/PA010464-Aly-.jpg
I played around with the layout of the two bedroom and office and put a closet taking out of the office area a bit.
It is just me living here for now. I wonder if I shouldn't just do the single master bedroom layout. I planned on putting a murphy bed in the office for house guests which are few and far between.
The building was all open to the steel frame/insulation so I have been adding in ceilings and what not as I go. The walls never went all the way up for circulation, and we never had doors except on the bathroom!
Here's a few pics of the before after I have done so far:
Kitchen
before (during deconstruction)
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/80/PC163799.jpg
after (almost done)
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/80/PA010464-Aly-.jpg
pmgca
03-11-09, 09:53 AM
Very nice kitchen! :thumbup:
Thank you for sharing the pictures!
Thank you for sharing the pictures!
l_bones
03-11-09, 10:06 AM
here is the two bedroom updated layout:
I am thinking of putting a whirlpool tub/shower in the separated bathroom and a steam shower in the master bathroom. The problem is there is a steel column going through the master bathtub/shower area. I figure I could frame out the steel column in a shower but it would take up too much room for the bathtub.
I added the closet into the second bedroom. Mainly for guests - and I guess if I MUST have a kid or two down the road it would be a starter area.
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/2bdr_-_b.jpg
I am thinking of putting a whirlpool tub/shower in the separated bathroom and a steam shower in the master bathroom. The problem is there is a steel column going through the master bathtub/shower area. I figure I could frame out the steel column in a shower but it would take up too much room for the bathtub.
I added the closet into the second bedroom. Mainly for guests - and I guess if I MUST have a kid or two down the road it would be a starter area.
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/2bdr_-_b.jpg
pmgca
03-11-09, 12:21 PM
Check this suggestion, trying to avoid the long corridor
The brown area is the closet for then BR and the blue, a closet for the office
What is the area outlined in red? It doesn't look good....
http://www.punchhelpers.com/DIY/2ndbedroom.jpg
The brown area is the closet for then BR and the blue, a closet for the office
What is the area outlined in red? It doesn't look good....
http://www.punchhelpers.com/DIY/2ndbedroom.jpg
l_bones
03-11-09, 04:19 PM
Well I spent a good part of the day trying to figure out where to go and ended up back at my original plan.
With this, I can always convert the lounge into an office accessible from the outside and bedroom and convert the office into a bedroom if required in the future.
There is a low partition wall between the bedroom and lounge. A murphy bed is in the office.
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/master-lounge-floorplan.jpg
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/master-lounge-aerial.jpg
With this, I can always convert the lounge into an office accessible from the outside and bedroom and convert the office into a bedroom if required in the future.
There is a low partition wall between the bedroom and lounge. A murphy bed is in the office.
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/master-lounge-floorplan.jpg
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/master-lounge-aerial.jpg
pmgca
03-11-09, 05:00 PM
As I told you in my first post the other option had lots of wasted space
karenh2008
03-12-09, 08:39 PM
Just wanted to say how great your "after" kitchen looks! I usually don't like the "modern" look (e.g. stainless steel, the type of pulls on the cabinets) but your kitchen looks terrific. I especially love the tiling - beautiful colors.
As for the floor plans, I don't know if you are worried about resale value in the future but usually more bedrooms are better than fewer. OTOH if you're going to be there awhile, as it sounds like you are, then having a luxurious "master suite" sounds pretty good too.
Good luck with the renovations!
As for the floor plans, I don't know if you are worried about resale value in the future but usually more bedrooms are better than fewer. OTOH if you're going to be there awhile, as it sounds like you are, then having a luxurious "master suite" sounds pretty good too.
Good luck with the renovations!
l_bones
03-13-09, 09:01 AM
Thanks! I really like the way the kitchen came out, especially on a relatively limited budget.
Here's my new plan. It involved moving the office to the corner where I will have to extend the patio (not shown) to that door. Only problem is no bathroom access for clients, but I usually don't entertain clients for that long or that often. It allows for another bedroom too, while allowing the master suite to be relatively large.
The green walls are concrete walls which are a PITA to take out, so this way provides for minimal destruction. No windows will have to be moved either.
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/floorplan.jpg
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/aerial_view.jpg
Here's my new plan. It involved moving the office to the corner where I will have to extend the patio (not shown) to that door. Only problem is no bathroom access for clients, but I usually don't entertain clients for that long or that often. It allows for another bedroom too, while allowing the master suite to be relatively large.
The green walls are concrete walls which are a PITA to take out, so this way provides for minimal destruction. No windows will have to be moved either.
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/floorplan.jpg
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/aerial_view.jpg
pmgca
03-13-09, 10:54 AM
Hi l_bones,
It looks nice!
However, I'd like to point 3 concerns
1 - As you commented, what if one of your customers needs to use the bathroom?
2 - The door of master BR has a direct view from the living room, so if it is opened, your guests will see the interior of the room (and the mess :D)
3 - I am not sure if there is enough space for a toilet at the right of the steam shower (outlined in red in the plan below)
Here is an idea for the first two issues
http://www.punchhelpers.com/DIY/2ndbedroom2b.jpg
It looks nice!
However, I'd like to point 3 concerns
1 - As you commented, what if one of your customers needs to use the bathroom?
2 - The door of master BR has a direct view from the living room, so if it is opened, your guests will see the interior of the room (and the mess :D)
3 - I am not sure if there is enough space for a toilet at the right of the steam shower (outlined in red in the plan below)
Here is an idea for the first two issues
http://www.punchhelpers.com/DIY/2ndbedroom2b.jpg
l_bones
03-13-09, 11:11 AM
hmmm i never thought of angling it like that.
there is also a security gate at the entrance to the hallway (by the kitchen) that I may convert to a solid door to prevent seeing through to the living room.
the toilet will actually go facing west on the screen right next to the vanity. that's how it's setup now. where the circle is there is a water heater and shelving above.
how about this?
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/floorplan_2.jpg
there is also a security gate at the entrance to the hallway (by the kitchen) that I may convert to a solid door to prevent seeing through to the living room.
the toilet will actually go facing west on the screen right next to the vanity. that's how it's setup now. where the circle is there is a water heater and shelving above.
how about this?
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/floorplan_2.jpg
pmgca
03-13-09, 12:00 PM
It is OK, but I'd suggest to flip the bedroom door--> from the exterior of the bedroom, open to the right with the right hand--> in this way, even if it is a little opened , it will block the view from the LR
If you can, post some pictures after you finish the construction :D
If you can, post some pictures after you finish the construction :D
l_bones
06-25-09, 12:13 AM
been 3 months and I thought i had a final design but of course I changed it in 2 hours of tinkering...
i did get the wall in the back taken down and cleaned out a lot of junk so I am moving in the right direction...
but here's my new idea:
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/new_layout.jpg
any thoughts on the two bathrooms vs the one?
i did get the wall in the back taken down and cleaned out a lot of junk so I am moving in the right direction...
but here's my new idea:
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/new_layout.jpg
any thoughts on the two bathrooms vs the one?
pmgca
06-25-09, 08:35 AM
Hi l_bones, welcome back!
My concern are (again) the wall angles in the final segment of the corridor (office entrance)
I don't recommend angles with less of 90°, they don't look good and dust is hard to remove--> these corners always look dirty
Use a 45° for the BR wall, and finish with a 90° wall (closet) create an "L" wall in the small BR (close to the office entrance)
In other words, set the walls as you did in your plan 03-13-09 01:11 PM
My concern are (again) the wall angles in the final segment of the corridor (office entrance)
I don't recommend angles with less of 90°, they don't look good and dust is hard to remove--> these corners always look dirty
Use a 45° for the BR wall, and finish with a 90° wall (closet) create an "L" wall in the small BR (close to the office entrance)
In other words, set the walls as you did in your plan 03-13-09 01:11 PM
Bruce H
06-26-09, 11:51 AM
Hi,
One thing that struck me was the tub in the master bath. I assume the faucets are on the right side? It seems it's going to be difficult to get at the faucets, since you have to reach around the wall. Also, think about having to replace that faucet some day and how you get to it. I just had to replace a 50 year old faucet in my own house and had to tear out ceramic tile. Then, of course, I couldn't get CT to match the existing color, so I had to tear out more tile and use a contrasting color to make a pattern that didn't look like a patch job.
BTW, if you're anything like me, you'll be changing your design as you're building too <LOL> I've been known to take new construction apart because I didn't like how they looked.
One thing that struck me was the tub in the master bath. I assume the faucets are on the right side? It seems it's going to be difficult to get at the faucets, since you have to reach around the wall. Also, think about having to replace that faucet some day and how you get to it. I just had to replace a 50 year old faucet in my own house and had to tear out ceramic tile. Then, of course, I couldn't get CT to match the existing color, so I had to tear out more tile and use a contrasting color to make a pattern that didn't look like a patch job.
BTW, if you're anything like me, you'll be changing your design as you're building too <LOL> I've been known to take new construction apart because I didn't like how they looked.
l_bones
06-26-09, 07:00 PM
Thanks for the input guys. Talking to a friend who is a designed we have come up with this. It requires taking down one more masonry wall :wall: but it will be worth it.
also for the faucets, hadn't thought of that. it'll be a shower/bath jacuzzi style (such a thing?!?!).
I will probably be making many changes during construction! I will try to keep up with before during and after photos too!
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/new_layout_squarehallway.jpg
also for the faucets, hadn't thought of that. it'll be a shower/bath jacuzzi style (such a thing?!?!).
I will probably be making many changes during construction! I will try to keep up with before during and after photos too!
http://www.the-real.com/pics/data/media/79/new_layout_squarehallway.jpg
pmgca
06-26-09, 10:11 PM
Hi l_bones,
too much better now. Some additional comments / suggestions
I think that the rooms' doors opening over the closets is not a desirable situation. In the bedroom, you can create an "L" closet so the door will open over the side wall. In the master Bedroom switch the Utility closet and the closet--> so the utility (office) will be at the right (and the door will open on the back of it) and the main closet will be on the left (opening to the MB
Other door issue--> perhaps the office door (exterior) should be to the right so you'll open the door over the wall?
Keep posting your work!!
too much better now. Some additional comments / suggestions
I think that the rooms' doors opening over the closets is not a desirable situation. In the bedroom, you can create an "L" closet so the door will open over the side wall. In the master Bedroom switch the Utility closet and the closet--> so the utility (office) will be at the right (and the door will open on the back of it) and the main closet will be on the left (opening to the MB
Other door issue--> perhaps the office door (exterior) should be to the right so you'll open the door over the wall?
Keep posting your work!!
l_bones
06-27-09, 12:35 PM
thanks! the utility closet and exterior doors can't move, cause thats where they are built into masonry, columns, etc. The utility is all there now and I don't want to rerun all the electrical (cost). the secondary bedroom door opening onto it could open the other way, i was thinking a desk on the door side of that room. that closet will be used to store my personal clothes that i don't use often, just stuff like jackets etc.
the master bedroom door opening over that small closet won't be a big deal, i will keep linens etc in that. i wanted it to open that way so it wouldn't take up floor space if it was open into the bedroom.
framing starts monday, we'll see how it goes!
the master bedroom door opening over that small closet won't be a big deal, i will keep linens etc in that. i wanted it to open that way so it wouldn't take up floor space if it was open into the bedroom.
framing starts monday, we'll see how it goes!
pmgca
06-27-09, 02:21 PM
Good luck and let us know how it goes!
l_bones
08-17-09, 04:41 PM
you guys asked me to post my progress...well its easier just to post a blog...
House Renovations (http://the-real.com/house/)
enjoy!
House Renovations (http://the-real.com/house/)
enjoy!
pmgca
08-17-09, 05:26 PM
Great! :thumbup: ...............
l_bones
08-18-09, 11:37 AM
is it worth the upgrade for a whirpool tub or just extra money that I will spend to use once or twice a year?
pmgca
08-18-09, 08:18 PM
It depends a lot of your lifestyle, and if you are not going to use it a lot, perhaps is not a good idea . But keep in mind that is the type of fixture installation that is "now or never" :D
l_bones
09-10-09, 08:36 PM
the living room ceiling going in....step 1...
http://the-real.com/house/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/09092009314.jpg
http://the-real.com/house/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/09092009314.jpg
pmgca
09-13-09, 06:18 PM
Good work! :D.........................