Kitchen Gas Appliances - Gas broiler burning my eyes
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Markjb
03-05-09, 05:27 PM
Hi All
I've got a GE Profile gas range on LP and whenever we use the broiler our eyes burn pretty bad and i need to open a window. I've tried adjusting the shutter on the gas tube but can't seem to clear it up. It's a model JGS968BOH2BB , any ideas?
thanks Mark
I've got a GE Profile gas range on LP and whenever we use the broiler our eyes burn pretty bad and i need to open a window. I've tried adjusting the shutter on the gas tube but can't seem to clear it up. It's a model JGS968BOH2BB , any ideas?
thanks Mark
Sharp Advice
03-08-09, 07:25 AM
Hello Mark and Welcome to the Do It Yourself Web Site and to the Gas Appliances topic.
All I can due here is make assumptions. Not enough details and/or information to determine an exact cause.
Most likely the broilers orifice is opened to much causing excessively large burner flames OR the orifice is a "Natural" gas orifice while the appliance is using "Propane" gas.
The above would cause excessively large burner flames since a "Natural" gas orifice has a larger hole then a "Propane" orifice.
What's needed to know is what fuel type is being used and what fuel type is the entire appliance set up for. Plus some other details like an recent fuel conversions? Etc.
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All I can due here is make assumptions. Not enough details and/or information to determine an exact cause.
Most likely the broilers orifice is opened to much causing excessively large burner flames OR the orifice is a "Natural" gas orifice while the appliance is using "Propane" gas.
The above would cause excessively large burner flames since a "Natural" gas orifice has a larger hole then a "Propane" orifice.
What's needed to know is what fuel type is being used and what fuel type is the entire appliance set up for. Plus some other details like an recent fuel conversions? Etc.
Suggestions:
>Retail parts dealers and appliances parts stores can also help determine what the possible problem may be based upon that specific brand and model. Bring the make, model and serial numbers. Dealers and appliances parts stores are listed in the phone book.
>Read The Sticky Advice And Information Note In This Topic:
Range-Stove-Oven-Broiler Basic Help Information & Manufacturers Web Sites. Range/Stove/Oven/Broiler Info, Leak Detection, Fault Codes, Fuel Conversion & Links - DoItYourself.com Community Forums (http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=159808)
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Markjb
03-08-09, 07:36 AM
It's running on propane for the entire stove, i bought the stove new also. I remember changing the gas orfices when i put the stove in because of the propane. From what your saying i need to look at the broiler orfice again to confirm i have the right one. The stovetop burners and the oven seem to work fine, we've had the stove for 3 years now. I'll get into it this week and report back.
thanks
Mark
thanks
Mark
Sharp Advice
03-08-09, 08:28 AM
Hello: Mark
From what your saying i need to look at the broiler orifice again to confirm i have the right one.
Correct. Double check that orifice. May be the incorrect one or adjusted open to much.
If the incorrect orifice is installed, install the correct one. Once the correct one is installed, an adjustment may be required.
An incorrect orifice, (one too large) will cause excessively large flames and/or an incorrect air input (shutter closed to much) will cause yellow flames, odors and likely create soot.
Correction method is to slightly close orifice to reduce gas flow volume into burner until the base of the flame is in contact with the burner.
If the input is to high, base of the flames will not be in contact with burner. That condition is called blowing or lifting flames. Closing orifice until base of flames are in contact with burner is the correct gas input volume.
Next step is to set flame size. Tips of flames must be inside the far ends of the flame spreader plate. Flame spreader plate is the metal plate mounted on top of the burner.
Flames must be one (1 inch to 1 & 1/2 inches) to one & half inches inside width of plate. Meaning smaller in size then the plate. Accomplished by orifice adjustment.
Then adjust air shutter, located on the end of burner tube, to allow enough air in to remove any yellow tips. Shutter closed to much flames will cause yellow flames.
Air shutter opened to much flames will blow or lift off burner creating a noise. A forceful or blowing sound. Neither noise or blowing flames should be allowed to remain.
Once all the above is set correctly, condition you described should be resolved. Assuming all other settings & adjustments are correct....:thumbup:
From what your saying i need to look at the broiler orifice again to confirm i have the right one.
Correct. Double check that orifice. May be the incorrect one or adjusted open to much.
If the incorrect orifice is installed, install the correct one. Once the correct one is installed, an adjustment may be required.
An incorrect orifice, (one too large) will cause excessively large flames and/or an incorrect air input (shutter closed to much) will cause yellow flames, odors and likely create soot.
Correction method is to slightly close orifice to reduce gas flow volume into burner until the base of the flame is in contact with the burner.
If the input is to high, base of the flames will not be in contact with burner. That condition is called blowing or lifting flames. Closing orifice until base of flames are in contact with burner is the correct gas input volume.
Next step is to set flame size. Tips of flames must be inside the far ends of the flame spreader plate. Flame spreader plate is the metal plate mounted on top of the burner.
Flames must be one (1 inch to 1 & 1/2 inches) to one & half inches inside width of plate. Meaning smaller in size then the plate. Accomplished by orifice adjustment.
Then adjust air shutter, located on the end of burner tube, to allow enough air in to remove any yellow tips. Shutter closed to much flames will cause yellow flames.
Air shutter opened to much flames will blow or lift off burner creating a noise. A forceful or blowing sound. Neither noise or blowing flames should be allowed to remain.
Once all the above is set correctly, condition you described should be resolved. Assuming all other settings & adjustments are correct....:thumbup:
SeattlePioneer
03-09-09, 08:56 PM
An improperly adjusted gas burner commonly makes aldehydes, an intermediate product of the combustion of fuel gasses. This is an alcohol which is irritating to eyes, nose and throat and usually carbon monoxide is also being made when aldehydes are present.
So you need to get those burners properly adjusted.
So you need to get those burners properly adjusted.
Markjb
03-10-09, 05:04 AM
This range doesn't use removable orfices for the oven and broiler, only the range top. When i looked at the manual the diagram for the oven is very clear but the broiler is so generic that you can't judge CW vs CCW. It looks like i went the wrong way initially and when i reversed direction last nite the problem cleared up. The change from Natural gas to propane is made by turning a nut near the shutter of the burner. I would suggest using a tube wrench because the nut is soft and an open end wrench would round the nut. They mention a difference of 1.5 turns of the nut for the 2 fuels but there is no stop and the nut can go 5+ turns so be careful.
Thanks for the help guys, i can broil now without the windows open.
Thanks for the help guys, i can broil now without the windows open.