Walls and Ceilings - Is this a load bearing wall? HELP!
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rugsr
12-30-08, 12:14 PM
Hello everyone, right now im in the process of remodeling my kitchen. I want to take out the wal in between my kitchen and my dining room. When I bought the house the inspector said it was a non-load bearing wall. When I pulled all the drywall off I noticed 2 2x4's back to back up top.
I once read in a HD 123 book that load bearing walls have 2 2x4's up top and a non-loading bearing wall has only 1 2x4 up top. I took some picture of the situation and I think its a non-load bearing wall. The inspector (i called him back) said I need to keep a header up top so the joists dont move around in heavy winds.
Check out the pics I took:
These are of the wall
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0002.jpg
Here are the 2 2x4's
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0003-1.jpg
To the left of the 2x4's is a 2x6 which is the soffit in the old kitchen. to the right of the 2x4's is a 2x6 laying on its side
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0005.jpg
Here is my stove gas line and wires going to the basement
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0007-3.jpg
Here is looking up from the basement where the gas line and wire are. Notice the steel beam which I believe is under the wall i want to take down
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0008-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0009-2.jpg
Here is a picture of whats above. The roofs weight looks like it is transfered down onto the the main load bearing wall which is perpendicular to the joists and the steel beam
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0012-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0011.jpg
I once read in a HD 123 book that load bearing walls have 2 2x4's up top and a non-loading bearing wall has only 1 2x4 up top. I took some picture of the situation and I think its a non-load bearing wall. The inspector (i called him back) said I need to keep a header up top so the joists dont move around in heavy winds.
Check out the pics I took:
These are of the wall
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0002.jpg
Here are the 2 2x4's
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0003-1.jpg
To the left of the 2x4's is a 2x6 which is the soffit in the old kitchen. to the right of the 2x4's is a 2x6 laying on its side
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0005.jpg
Here is my stove gas line and wires going to the basement
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0007-3.jpg
Here is looking up from the basement where the gas line and wire are. Notice the steel beam which I believe is under the wall i want to take down
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0008-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0009-2.jpg
Here is a picture of whats above. The roofs weight looks like it is transfered down onto the the main load bearing wall which is perpendicular to the joists and the steel beam
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0012-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0011.jpg
rugsr
12-30-08, 12:17 PM
Above the 2x4's is a 2x6 laying on its side. The 2x6 is in the middle of the 2x6 joists and there is another 2x6 on top of that in between the joists
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0015.jpg
Here is the rectangular hold i cut. You can see this in a few pics above this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0016-1.jpg
The 2x6 thats laying down does go under one 2x4 that is taking the roofs load. I could always just leave a piece of that still there.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0020.jpg
notice the next one over doesnt have this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0021-1.jpg
A pic showing wires going through the soffit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0022-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0023-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0025-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0026-2.jpg
So to recap the wall is actually laying under a 2x6 that is on its side running paralel with the joist and steel beem inbetween the joists.
I dont think the wall is loading bearing
What do you think?
To be on the safe side i could always beef up the joists above by adding more 2x6 joists on the sides of the existing ones right?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0015.jpg
Here is the rectangular hold i cut. You can see this in a few pics above this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0016-1.jpg
The 2x6 thats laying down does go under one 2x4 that is taking the roofs load. I could always just leave a piece of that still there.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0020.jpg
notice the next one over doesnt have this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0021-1.jpg
A pic showing wires going through the soffit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0022-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0023-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0025-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/IMG_0026-2.jpg
So to recap the wall is actually laying under a 2x6 that is on its side running paralel with the joist and steel beem inbetween the joists.
I dont think the wall is loading bearing
What do you think?
To be on the safe side i could always beef up the joists above by adding more 2x6 joists on the sides of the existing ones right?
chandler
12-30-08, 02:45 PM
The wall appears to be running parallel to your ceiling joists. Normally that would make is non load bearing. Likewise it appears that both top plates are under your sheetrock ceiling, so it could have been an add on. However, I have a concern about the roofing support landing on the 2x6 above your wall. If it lands there, you will need to support it. If the wall is running parallel to the steel beam, likewise, it could be lending support to the roof components. It is always best to have a structural architect look at such an undertaking before you knock the wall down.
rugsr
12-30-08, 05:57 PM
Thanks
what if I were to do this?
Leave just the piece under the 45degree 2x4 and above the load bearing wall like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/inattic.jpg
or what if i remove the wall and keep the 2x6 thats laying down but beef it up with another 2x6
BTW-how do i find a structural architect? Yellow pages?
what if I were to do this?
Leave just the piece under the 45degree 2x4 and above the load bearing wall like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rugsr/inattic.jpg
or what if i remove the wall and keep the 2x6 thats laying down but beef it up with another 2x6
BTW-how do i find a structural architect? Yellow pages?
chandler
12-31-08, 06:25 AM
Here, again, without the blessings of an engineer and not being able to see the whole picture, our advice is not definitive. Removing the 2x6 would be viable, leaving the tail as you have described. The only problem I would see is the lateral force on the wall by the roofing brace, pushing the wall sideways once the 2x6 is removed. See why the engineer could help better?
Yeah, the yellow pages would be a good start. A large city would probably have a better selection.
Yeah, the yellow pages would be a good start. A large city would probably have a better selection.
rugsr
01-01-09, 12:10 AM
ah i got ya now
i see what you mean
ill keep everyone update
thanks again
i see what you mean
ill keep everyone update
thanks again