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jaylvee
12-19-08, 04:28 PM
Hello, I am new to this site and was wondering if anyone had any recommendations to get our furnace working.
We have a Payne Plus 80 furnace and it is not lighting. The blowers come on and I hear it starting the mechanism to light but the burners are never let. FYI, it has an electric ignition.
Any suggestions? It is getting cold up here in the Northwest, lows expected in the mid 20's tonight. It was working this AM, then we noticed it was not going on any more.
We have a call into a repair place, but they are all backed up.
We have a Payne Plus 80 furnace and it is not lighting. The blowers come on and I hear it starting the mechanism to light but the burners are never let. FYI, it has an electric ignition.
Any suggestions? It is getting cold up here in the Northwest, lows expected in the mid 20's tonight. It was working this AM, then we noticed it was not going on any more.
We have a call into a repair place, but they are all backed up.
ecman51`
12-19-08, 05:19 PM
......I hear it starting the mechanism to light but the burners are never let. FYI, it has an electric ignition.
Open up the big panel on the furnace and watch and tell us what you see happen when it tries to go. And also count in seconds, what happens.
It be best to first turn off the furnace at a switch mounted on the side of the furnace or the circuit breaker for it. Then go upstairs and turn up the thermostat. Then take off that panel. Then flip on the furnace switch so you can quickly see how it all starts. And count off in seconds what you see.
First there should be a smaller vent fan called an inducer that runs. That may run for quite a few seconds. Then some sort of ignition wil occur. That is what we need to know as to what type you have. Some have a coil that heats and glows real bright, which then is supposed to light the burner. Others have a spark plug looking wire that goes between the control and burner and sparks inside the burner to light either a pilot or spark direct to a burner. If there is a pilot you will see an aluminum tube that looks to be about 1/4 inch across thast comes out of the gas valve and goes into the burner compartment.
Let us know what all comes on and what it does as it shuts back off.
[Be sure after you are done, to turn the thermostat back to normal, so you do not cook, in case it comes on!]
Open up the big panel on the furnace and watch and tell us what you see happen when it tries to go. And also count in seconds, what happens.
It be best to first turn off the furnace at a switch mounted on the side of the furnace or the circuit breaker for it. Then go upstairs and turn up the thermostat. Then take off that panel. Then flip on the furnace switch so you can quickly see how it all starts. And count off in seconds what you see.
First there should be a smaller vent fan called an inducer that runs. That may run for quite a few seconds. Then some sort of ignition wil occur. That is what we need to know as to what type you have. Some have a coil that heats and glows real bright, which then is supposed to light the burner. Others have a spark plug looking wire that goes between the control and burner and sparks inside the burner to light either a pilot or spark direct to a burner. If there is a pilot you will see an aluminum tube that looks to be about 1/4 inch across thast comes out of the gas valve and goes into the burner compartment.
Let us know what all comes on and what it does as it shuts back off.
[Be sure after you are done, to turn the thermostat back to normal, so you do not cook, in case it comes on!]
jaylvee
12-19-08, 05:54 PM
The first thing that starts is the blower (a lil over a minute), they run for about 15 seconds or so.. (guessing as I have not timed it)
Then it sounds like it is going to start, that is when that black wheel starts turning, I guess that is the inducer. After about 30 seconds sounds like something else kicks in and you hear a click, but nothing, then after another 30 seconds it restarts the process. When you hear a click you have a faint smell of gas.
There is nothing that sparks or lights, there is no pilot, it has an ignition of some kind.
Then it sounds like it is going to start, that is when that black wheel starts turning, I guess that is the inducer. After about 30 seconds sounds like something else kicks in and you hear a click, but nothing, then after another 30 seconds it restarts the process. When you hear a click you have a faint smell of gas.
There is nothing that sparks or lights, there is no pilot, it has an ignition of some kind.
ecman51`
12-19-08, 06:08 PM
Would like to know what kind of ignition.
Going into the burner area, whether burner is the kind that has a cover over it where you can't see the fire unless you peer into a spy glass, or, if it is open combustion - irregardless, there will be wires going into the combustion chamber. Tell me what kind and size and color each are.
Going into the burner area, whether burner is the kind that has a cover over it where you can't see the fire unless you peer into a spy glass, or, if it is open combustion - irregardless, there will be wires going into the combustion chamber. Tell me what kind and size and color each are.
jaylvee
12-19-08, 06:14 PM
There are brown and blue wires that connect to the top of a closed chamber that have gas pipes running into it.
The size of the wires? Pretty standard gauge, not sure how to measure em tho.
BTW thanks for the interest. It is not life and death situation or anything we have a wood burning stove and we have power still, so not a big deal. We have an appt tomorrow afternoon for someone to come take a look at it.
The size of the wires? Pretty standard gauge, not sure how to measure em tho.
BTW thanks for the interest. It is not life and death situation or anything we have a wood burning stove and we have power still, so not a big deal. We have an appt tomorrow afternoon for someone to come take a look at it.