Electronic Alarms and Home Security Devices - Need help with ademco

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elecman
12-15-08, 03:59 PM
I programmed all the wireless devices and it took.the problem im having is that when any of the windows are open i get check zone depending on what window is open and the alarm system is not set i have them programmed as zone 3 permitter and loop 2 for the magnets what em i doing wrong


HotinOKC
12-15-08, 04:04 PM
It's supposed too. What good is the alarm if it doesn't detect a open window?

elecman
12-15-08, 04:12 PM
The problem is when the window opens the keypad beeps telling you to check zone why would it do that if the alarm is not set


HotinOKC
12-15-08, 04:16 PM
Ok, I was getting "check" mixed up with "fault."

Tell us how you programmed the sensors. How did you program the system with a 6150 keypad? (I read your other thread).

PRO1 TECH
12-15-08, 04:16 PM
Hi your chime is on (code) + 9 chime on & off

elecman
12-15-08, 04:19 PM
I used a 6160 keypad to program the devices

MrRonFL
12-15-08, 05:16 PM
You are chasing your own tail.

Ademco design panels use both "Check" and "Fault" to indicate an open zone. The Fixed english keypads use check, and the alpha and voice keypads use fault.

It's not a bug, it's a feature (they could make that a bit more clear in the user manual, though...)

PRO1 TECH
12-15-08, 05:23 PM
You know ron i had that feeling but some times things leed you down the path

HotinOKC
12-15-08, 05:33 PM
Don't worry Pro, I had that feeling with my first post.....

kcxj
12-15-08, 05:40 PM
I have to disagree...with ademco systems an alpha keypad will read Fault <zone description>, but the fixed english keypads will turn off the ready light and simply show the zone number. Check means a short on a wired contact, or a tamper or malfunction on a wireless contact. Something is not right

elecman
12-15-08, 05:48 PM
Listen on the 6160 alpha it shows check. The zones that are showing up are wireless not hardwired

PRO1 TECH
12-15-08, 06:42 PM
i have to disagree...with ademco systems an alpha keypad will read fault <zone description>, but the fixed english keypads will turn off the ready light and simply show the zone number. Check means a short on a wired contact, or a tamper or malfunction on a wireless contact. something is not right

but with all of the wireless i can see one

elecman
12-15-08, 07:22 PM
I cleared all the wireless devices started over i used one 5814 programmed system is ready to arm its programmed to zone 10 set the alarm move the magnet alarm goes off shut off the alarm fault10still shows.if i move the magnet with out the alarm set it says fault 10 cannot be cleared off the 6160 keypad.im using a 5882 receiver

kcxj
12-15-08, 08:19 PM
Let me explain it this way.

When alarm activates, your keypad should read: "alarm zone 10".

When zone is open, keypad should read: "fault zone 10"


If the faut is not clearing, then I suspect your zone programming is off, the field wiring is incorrect or you have a bad sensor.

BTW:

"CHECK" indicates that a problem exists with the displayed zone(s) and requires attention.
Note: The control will sense a high resistance in the loops on hardwired zones 2–8
and display “CHECK” and the affected zone number when the system is in the
disarmed mode. It will not be possible to arm the system as long as this condition
exists (unless this zone is bypassed). If the system is in the armed mode when the
high resistance condition occurs, this display will not appear, but will do so as
soon as the system is disarmed. Check the sensor or the loop wiring for the
displayed zone.

elecman
12-15-08, 09:22 PM
I know that the wireless device is good because when i move the magnet the red and grenn lights on the 5882 if receiving the device and also at the end of program *56 i presed the button in the device and the keypad reconized it.like i said fault 10 keep coming up can you give me some ideas where to start from

kcxj
12-16-08, 06:29 PM
Double check your programming. The one time I had something similar happen was when I tried to enroll a sensor without an alpha keypad. When the zone was open, it would go into check and beep continuously. Once I wired up an alpha and redid the programming, it was fine. If you tried to do any programming without the alpha, then I would recommend defaulting the panel and reprogram from scratch with the alpha.

elecman
12-17-08, 07:20 AM
Im using a 6150rf keypad i have a 5814 connected to the window when the window is open i get zone 10 which is the 5814 when the window is closed the code doesnt clear typed in the user code and off did it twice didnt clear i powered the unie powered back up set the alarm then opened the window the alarm went off but wont clear on the display still says zone 1o what is the next step too do.

MrRonFL
12-17-08, 07:33 AM
Unlike the 5816 transmitter, the 5814 should be programmed as _loop_1_ for it's internal magnet reed switch (there is no external switch input).

Also check your zone type to make sure your have it set as a standard perimeter zone. Some of the zone types create latching troubles. Also, make sure the cover is on the battery compartment.

It turns out that I did misread, and "check" on a wired zone indicates a high resistance (wrong size resistor or no resistor) and on a wireless zone it means that either the battery cover isn't on, or the battery has failed, or you have the hardwire input on a 5816 wired wrong (installing a resistor in the loop, for example), or the wrong loop programmed.

elecman
12-17-08, 07:42 AM
Thanks ron would have never know that the cover had to be on and program it to loop 1 thanks the other question is i have a motion which zone type does it get program to and also a glass break sensor

elecman
12-17-08, 08:57 AM
I trying to connect a wireless motion to a 15p i put the zone type as 4 interior follower and loop 1 im getting check motion on the keypad

MrRonFL
12-17-08, 04:19 PM
The same basic criteria apply. The motion will be loop 1 as well, and the cover has to be on.

Pretty much every wireless security device, regardless of brand has a cover tamper switch of some type.

kcxj
12-17-08, 04:35 PM
Ron,

I think the confusion comes into play when you throw the lynx line into the mix. That panel will show an open zone as "check" and the voice reads "fault". I very rarely deal with lynx panels, but I can still recall the appointment I had when I worked in resi, and had a lynx conversion. The customer had a door opened and I saw "check 12". I tried forever to seat the tamper on the transmitter before I realized that the lynx panel does not display "fault". Darn ademco!

MrRonFL
12-17-08, 04:41 PM
I think you are right. We are primarily a GE Networx installer, and most of the Ademco we service are existing installs, so I don't handle the Ademco stuff on a daily basis, so it's not "muscle memory" so to speak...

dchevsilve
12-19-08, 10:19 AM
hi,

on my mother and father inlaws ademco lynx panel, when a door is open, the display reads fault and zone number,

i had taken a picture put i couldnt get it upload.

hope that helps.