Electronic Alarms and Home Security Devices - DSC 1555 Motion help

I have been reading and trying to understand how to install two more motion detectors to my current setup. Currently I have 5 zones

1 - Front door
2 - Garage door
3 - Back door
4 - Patio door
5 - Motion

I wanted to add zones 6 and 7 as additional motion zones. I know the DSC only has 6 zones internally, so I was going to use a keypad zone for 7.

I went in with the master code and did this for programming

*8 installers code
[001] 01 01 03 03 05 05 05 00

[020] 07 00 00 for the rest of them

# to exit

I have one of the addition motion detectors wired and it works, but the keypad is not indicating a trigger by lighting up the corresponding number.

Do I need to assign zone attributes to the new zones? If so, what do I need to set them as and how do I do that? The motions are Bravo dual pet immune detectors.

If not, what could the problem be?

Thanks for any help!

No, you should not have to alter the attributes.
Simple test. Take any one of the leads off of the zone input. If the zone shows open, then you may have miswired the connections on the motion detector.

Do you have the zone wires connected to a normally closed contact on the motion, with the end of line resistor in series (assuming that you are using resistors on your system) with one of the two legs of the loop?

After I run through the programming, I dont get the additional zone lights to light up at all. So far, I have only wired in the additional zone 6, but have all 7 programmed. Neither 6 or 7 lights are on, even when I disconnect the wires from the terminal block.

About the resistors, I do not see any in the current set up, so I thought the programming done by the first installer had set it up for a resistorless system. Do I have to change that on my new zones? I thought it applied to the whole system when that code was turned on. It is an ADT Ranger American system originally, which is why I thought that it was programmed for no resistors.

I have the power and ground going to their corresponding terminals, and those work because the red light illuminates on the detector to indicate motion. Then I have the NC terminal going to the corresponding zone terminal and then the comm wire for the the last one.

Thank you for all the help!

No, if you were set up for no resistors, then they aren't needed (most of the mass installers like RA disable the resistor requirement, which isn't really an issue in a residential system).

Check programming location 202. They may have disabled the unused zones in that location.

That was it :wall:

Its not like it doesnt say it in the manual or anything :rolleyes:

Thank you for all your help though! I would have been staring at that thing for three days before I figured that out probably. :D

Well I think I need a little guidance again here. I never finished putting my third motion up until today. Well I was trying to program the system and now my trouble light is staying on. I press the star 2 key and light 1 lights up, then I press 1 and light 5 is lit. Im not sure what went wrong. I thought I might have messed something up with the keypads, so I went back in and assigned them to slot 1 as they are led keypads. Is there a way to check the modules with just the led keypad?

Im not sure where to go next. I called ADT and asked them if they could tell me specifically what is wrong, but they could not. They said they could send someone out, but I dont want them to get out here and say I caused the problem and make me pay some huge amount of money.

Thanks for any help again.

I just got off the phone with ADT again and this time they told me that there was a communication issue with my two smoke detectors. They would not reset via the keypad. They tried testing the system and then the system never took over the phone line. I remained on the line while it tried to contact them and I could hear the dialing and what not. They said that was another problem, but I dont know if that is new or not.

If they come out, are they going to be able to tell I was programming the system for my new motion detector and make me pay for the service call? Right now, they are telling me that it is just a minimal trip charge.

I dont know how the smoke detectors could have been messed up. I did not enter any codes pertaining to them, unless they have to be reprogrammed after assigning the keypads to the slots.

The smoke detectors are 2 wire wired versions.

Any help is greatly appreciated again. I hope I didnt get myself in too deep here.

I think I figured out the trouble light problem. I reset the thing using section 902 and the light went away. I called ADT back and they said everything looked good on their end.

I did have a couple more questions though.

For the keypad zones, do you have to put the resistor in even if the system is programmed for no resistors? When I had everything set up, the keypad zone light was always on.

Also, when Im adding these zones, do they work to trigger an alarm event if ADT does not know about the addition? Can I just call them and tell them that I added a couple zones and have them named in their system, or do they actually have to come out?

Thanks for the help!

You are not wired for line seizure! Meaning if a phone is off the hook, or someone is talking on the phone when the alarm goes off, then the alarm will not be able to dial out. Either Ranger America did not bother to wire to the NID, or you may have switched to a digital line that has the line entering after the alarm. You will want to correct this.

You are not wired for line seizure! Meaning if a phone is off the hook, or someone is talking on the phone when the alarm goes off, then the alarm will not be able to dial out. Either Ranger America did not bother to wire to the NID, or you may have switched to a digital line that has the line entering after the alarm. You will want to correct this.

Thats what ADT told me the last time I talked to them. They said it has been that way since the install and "shouldnt be a problem." Id like to fix it. Is this something I can program? I didnt see anything looking through the install manual. I do have DSL, but ADT only asked if I had a filter on the line. I havent switched phone providers though since I have lived in the house.

Thanks again

First of all, you cannot have both keypads addressed as address 1. The second keypad needs to be set as two, especially since you are using keypad zones (probably why your zone 1 isn't closing is that it's still seein an open input on "keypad 1")

Making the new zones communicate is another step, as DSC panels don't automatically configure zones for reporting.

Go to section 320 and enter 32 in segments 6 and 7 to enable reporting (after you get the zones working properly). Then tell ADT that you have had motions added to those zones. They don't charge by the zone...

I'm not sure why your fire zone had an issue. It could have been something jiggled loose when you were adding wiring.