Toilets, Sinks, Showers, Tubs and Disposals - Hand held sprayer, hooked to stool line?

A customer wants a HAND HELD SPRAYER hooked to the supply line of the stool, and then the mounting bracket for the sprayer end hooked on the wall beside the stool.

My question is this.

Since the pressure will be on ALL THE TIME to the hand held sprayer, WILL THE SHUT OFF VALVE ON THE SPRAYER BE GOOD ENOUGH TO HOLD THE PRESSURE? Don't need any FLOODS........

I know that most of the time a HAND HELD SPRAYER is hooked to a shower pipe, and the pressure is NOT on while NOT IN USE. I would install a tee in the line going to the stool, or may even install a new shut off valve that has TWO outlets.

Thank You for hearing me out, all comments are welcome and needed.

Dale in Indy

I'm not even going to ask what this thing is for, OK? I would install a parallel line up the wall from the toilet supply, fastened securely to the wall, tie it in below the supply stop valve, install a brass lever ball valve just under where the head standard will be mounted. The ball valve will ensure total cut off, rather than relying on the shower slip valve. Now, getting the customer to use this ball valve may be another project.

I discussed adding another valve, but the customers concerns are that NOT ALWAYS WOULD THE PERSON SHUT OFF THE CONTROL VALVE AFTER USE OF SAME, so we would be back to the same question, WILL THE VALVE BUILT IN TO THE SPRAYER HOLD?

I think I will find the hand held devise I like, then contact the mfg. as to their thinking.

Thank You,


Dale in Indy

Hi Dale,

I see you're on another project, already.:) How did the sink turn out?

You know, you can post "Before and After" pictures on the DIY home page. There's a section, on the left, in the menu, called, "I Did it Myself." Great place to show off your work!

Connie

Thanks connie.

The customer just loves the counter. I have pictures B-4 & after, but need to load a program for my new camera, and will do such. Thanks.

This house I am working on now is here in Indy and is a million dollar plus baby, so want to do this hand held shower thing first class. They have lots for me to do. It's funny, they are just beginning to relax around me, I guess that is my way of saying they are begining to TRUST MY WORK. They haven't seen my arty work at home or they would really feel comfortable with my ability. Not bragging, just give 125% to what I do, and NEVER BLUFF my way through a project. If I haven't done it before, well I come to this site.

NEVER BOAST, RARELY REST.


Dale in Indy

WILL THE VALVE BUILT IN TO THE SPRAYER HOLD?


the pressure at the stool is no higher than anywhere else in the house so why wouldn't it hold ?

(sounds like a economy bidet ):rolleyes:

Dale
Might want to check with something like a medical supply place. I'm guessing there might be some sort of hand held shower/sprayer with a little better on/off valve than standard residential stuff? The kind of thing you see in hospital room bathrooms is what I'm thinking. And it would have that cool industrial look. (ok, cool to me, not to my wife. But I'm the one who wants the urinal in the garage.)

Why not a foot valve? Here, again, med supply house.

Not having any idea of what kind of hand-held sprayer is under discussion the only possible answer is ...maybe.

If the sprayer under discussion is a typical hand-held residential shower then the answer is no.

Or if you are discussing a typical residential kitchen sink sprayer then the answer is still no.

However, if the sprayer (and hose) is the type often found on an overhead hose in a commercial kitchen then the answer is yes.

This type of hospital sprayer and valve is meant to be under pressure continuously.
I personally would not trust a $30.00 residential unit, especially if you are doing this for someone else.

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A problem you will have with connecting it to a toilet supply is a lack of volume and the fact that the water will be cold.
What you will have to do is install a mixing valve to a hot and cold supply line to make the temperature tolerable.

The customer wanted to purchase a regular HOME OWNER hand held sprayer, that I would install. I suggested that she NOT purchase until I had researched such.

I have sent E's to a couple mfg's and will see what they say also.

Thanks to all for the good input. This is just another EXAMPLE of why I enjoy this site, YOU IS GOOD............

Dale in Indy

Very common request in certain areas. Especially in areas where there are a lot of ethnic middle eastern folks. It is what they are used to, buy easier in the homeland where pressures are typically lower.

You definitely do NOT want to take a typical kitchen faucet spray hose and hook it up this way. It is not made for full pressure, or designed to safely have constant pressure on it. It is almost guaranteed to weep, or leak badly if dropped, or just hung up wrong.

There are many not so elegant ways to have a solid shut off. But this company makes a more appropriate product for this application: http://www.sanicare.com/

Hey,

There are some additional items Bidanit and Bidush (http://www.bidet-plastom.com) - bidet attachement under any seat.

594tough, & werteph.

Thank you very much. I can see that I am going to come up with a product that has a proven success rate, and one that my customer will be happy with.

594tough, your site offers LOTS of good info on their products.

I will let you know how it all turns out, FOR SURE.


Dale in Indy

P.S. 594, your very first paragraph is right on TARGET.

Well, Dale, I know we both say there's always something new to learn, and I'll bet this is a prime example for you.:)

If the home is in that expensive price range, this is one case where I wouldn't try to save the customer money on a creative approach. Look for a first quality bidet and I'm sure you'll be rewarded with appreciation.

Connie

a bit of research on the site provided by 594tough does show that a valve is strongly suggested (required) before the sprayer. It suggested the pressure be turned off when not in use BUT an even greater use mentioned should be considered;

pressure regulation. they offer an adjustable valve so the pressure can be regulated.

(I still can't imagine a cold water bidet though. talk about a morning wake up:eek: )

Now that all the cards are on the table, I agree with either a separate bidet, or a combo toilet bidet (expensive, but in better taste).

nap, I thought it interesting that they offer as a option a container that will hold the water while the TEMP IN THE ROOM WARMS IT UP. Raising the temp up to ROOM temp isn't going to do the job, still will be COLD, HUH?

I E-mailed the site to my customer, and it will be interesting to see what she picks out. Very nice family, and I have to LAUGH, her hubby said to me, MY WIFE HAS A JOB FOR YOU, SO WHEN YOU HAVE A MINUTE HAVE HER EXPLAIN IT TO YOU. He then walked away. No reason to be embarassed, FOR SURE.......

As stated before, I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED.

Dale in Indy

P.S. This subject brought has about a few good laughs. Since we buried my wifes mother a week ago Thrusday, and the same day I learned that my brother had died of injuries from a fall down 16 stairs in his own home. He was 68, and in good health. Over 300 attended his service, and I was able to speak for 10 plus minutes. I am doing fine though.

nap, I thought it interesting that they offer as a option a container that will hold the water while the TEMP IN THE ROOM WARMS IT UP. Raising the temp up to ROOM temp isn't going to do the job, still will be COLD, HUH?

unless that is a large holding tank, being the first to use the thing could be a big deal.


From the sounds of everything, it sounds like a real bidet (one with hot and cold water) could be a possible suggestion.

there are French and American styles that spray from different directions

(French is like a water fountain and American is like a sit on sink with a kind of funny front faucet)

whoops, I have that backwards.

a few bidet faucets (http://www.designerhardware.com/Click_here_for_bidets_s/204.htm):