Designing Kitchens and Bathrooms - ? re kitchen remodel

Hello,
I have an upcoming complete kitchen remodel: new cabinets, appliances, replacing all floor tile (325 sq ft), granite counter tops, upgrade of all electric wiring back to the service panel. When one hires a kitchen & bath company to to the job…what is the typical order of the work they do? I’m assuming:
1) tear out old cabinets
2) remove old tile and lay the new tile
3) electrical work
4) new cabinet, countertop, and appliance installation

Do I have this correct? The kitchen company wants to start the job on 11/16, and I would like minimum kitchen down time and minimum unexpected $$$ suprises.

Thank you in advance for your feedback,
Majac777

All the demolition first, then you want any plumbing, electrical, soffit framing, sheet rock, etc done before any tile gets set. Grout is a magnet for sheet rock dust and the fresher the grout, the bigger the magnetic attraction.

Tile can either go in before the cabinets or after. If they choose after the cabs, make sure they build up under the cabinets to raise the height so there won't be appliance issues.

Granite counter tops will be the last thing as they cannot get fabricated until they template which won't happen until the cabs are in place. I's suggest waiting on the tile until after everything if you are going to have a large kitchen island with a granite top.

Talk to your installation company and ask them what they plan for setting the tile and post back. We'll let you know if it follows industry practices.

Slab or wood framed floor structure? Ceramic or stone? Heat mats, sky lights, etc? All those impact how the installation needs to be done.

Hi Majac- Tilebri pretty much has it all said post back during this re-model. Demo-elec and plumbing- sheetrock and taping- You can do the tile either before the cabinets (I prefer it this way) or after each is an acceptable practice. after the cabinets then the granite. If there is any work to be done after the tile work make sure they properly protect your new floor completely!! let us know how its going. Regards Tileman1:D

Hello and thanks very much for all your suggestions.

FYI here's the wordage of Pam's (contractor) contract:

"....customer understands that there will be wall damage when existing full backsplash is removed and [contractor] is not responsible for the repair of same. Tear out of existing cabinets included. Installation of new cabinets and granite included. Customer must have sink and hardware for cabinets on jobsite at time of installation of cabinetry to avoid any additional trip charges."

Of importance to me are her Payment Terms:
"50% due upon order; 40% due upon delivery [of cabinets to jobsite], balance due upon completion."

At this point I am not at all comfortable paying 40% of the total upon delivery. Is it unheard of in the business of contractors..if I tell her I'll gladly pay the remaining 50% due on completion of the job? or is this going to start a war?

I'm willing to bet that the 10% due upon completing is an amount that she could write off and still be happy with her profit, which again I'm all too happy to pay at completion of all work to my satisfaction.

What do you think?

Thanks again,
Majac777

Sounds like a standard contract to me. The retailer has to pay her bills. I have had customers who have gotten ill, had heart attacks, etc. and had to recuperate before the job could be completed. The longest wait for completion of a job was over two years. Retailers have to be able to pay their vendors any way even if the job is not finished for reasons beyond their own.

I don't disagree with Twelvepole's observation on needing to pay a contractor, but I would negotiate clearer milestones for payment. 25% due upon order; 25% at completion of demo; 10% on installation of floor; 15% upon receipt of cabinets; 15% upon installation of cabinets; balance upon completion.

I think 90% payment and the only work completed is the proposal paperwork and the receipt of cabinets is unreasonable!

Good luck!

:cool: 90% for paperwork and delivery is a little steep!! Try for a 50/50 deal, worst case scenario 50/25/25 That way it seems that each party has something at stake. Of course if you signed the proposal already then you knew in advance of the deal and you are then obligated. Me personally If I must purchase materials (ie:tile) Then I get 50/25/25 If it is strictly a labor only contract then I get 33/33/33. Hope it all works out and you are Happy Camper!!Regards Tileman1:wall:

Yeah I agree 90% is a little much for just delivery and no work done yet.

I generally do 10% on signing, a percentage enough to cover material upon delivery (every job is different and I have to pay for the materials too) and then a balance at the end. If its a big job there are some other scheduled payments based on events. Typically when the job is done Im owed 10% to 15% sometimes more.