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timoty007
12-27-06, 06:51 AM
I have had the biggest run around with my furnace installer, (that’s what I get for trying to save money) and I have a question for someone. I bought a new furnace and air evaporator. The contractor removed the old and installed the new furnace and evaporator, however he did not reattach any of the air conditioner pipes to the new evaporator. In fact he hasn’t even mentioned that it wasn't installed or that he wasn’t going to do it. My Dad actually pointed it out. Inspections already failed once, thank goodness I required inspections, he tried to talk me out of those. I already called the inspector and he told me he would not pass the unit for the second time if the conditioner is not installed. Fine with me, but i don't trust the contractor to do it right, since I wont be able to test it until spring, (or can I)? Any advice. I still owe him 300.00 so I ball is in my court, another good idea DONT PAY UP FRONT. =) This one day job has turned into 5 so far, and he has been no earlier than 1.5 hours late on every visit, oh and he installed a 12 inch cold air return when our contract say and 30 inch return, It goes on. Thanks in advance


mattison
12-27-06, 07:15 AM
You need to get the line sets connected asap and the central air unit MUST be vacuumed down to the proper levels to remove all non-condensables. The longer they stay open the more moisture migrates into the system.

timoty007
12-27-06, 07:42 AM
the lines are still conected to the old evaporator which is hanging behind the new furnace, so they still should be charged. Is this standard to not reconnect the lines to a new furnace? My thought is if you take it apart you put it back together. ????????


mattison
12-27-06, 07:48 AM
Are you getting a new outdoor unit soon or do you plan to use the old outdoor section ??

If you're going to re-use the outdoor section then it must be re-piped to the new evaporator.
If you're getting a new outdoor unit this spring then it will be ok till then as long as the new evap inlet and outlet pipes are sealed.

With these guys track record you may want someone else in there to do the a/c properly and go over the furnace job.

timoty007
12-27-06, 08:12 AM
yes i would like to get a new outdoor unit this spring if our budget allows for it, I think our current one is pretty old. My problem is 1st its not a garentee that we will be buying a new one, and second if I ask this guy to hook up my system which i plan on doing, how do i know he did it correctly. Is it possible to check the system in cold weather, I don't trust him anymore. Maybe I will tell him that, and get someone else to do it, and forget about paying him the remaining 300.00 I owe him.

Jay11J
12-27-06, 08:54 AM
Is the new A/C coil rated for R-22 or R-410?

How many ton is the new coil and current A/C?

timoty007
12-27-06, 12:16 PM
I believe the new system is 2.5 ton and the ac is rated 4.5 I am not sure on the ac for sure.

Jay11J
12-27-06, 02:10 PM
The system is not going to work right with that much tonnage diffrance.

Is the coil R-410 or R-22?

I take it you got this on line??? FYI, Warranity are GONE when you buy this online.

mattison
12-28-06, 08:21 AM
They put in a 2.5 ton coil and your old one is 4.5 ton ?? If that is correct and your house requires 4.5 - 5 tons of cooling and the new furnace only has a 3 ton blower with a 2.5 ton coil then you're in trouble.

Being that they were low bidder I'm sure they did not do a load calculation on the home to insure that the equipment they were installing was the proper size for your home.

I would suggest you do a load calc yourself and check the sizing of the installed equipment. This is a good one that is user friendly. http://www.hvaccomputer.com/ There may be some free ones out there but I'm not sure.

Ed Imeduc
12-28-06, 08:41 AM
I bought a new furnace and air evaporator. The contractor removed the old and installed the new furnace and evaporator, however he did not reattach any of the air conditioner pipes to the new evaporator.

the lines are still conected to the old evaporator which is hanging behind the new furnace, so they still should be charged.

Maybe I will tell him that, and get someone else to do it, and forget about paying him the remaining 300.00 I owe him.
No way pay him. That wont even start to pay a new guy to fix it all. Call city hall, does he have a license Is he EPA and also call the BBB and check on him

ED ;)

timoty007
01-08-07, 11:51 AM
Thanks for all the responces, I have learned alot by hiring this guy. He is licensed I checked before signing the contract, in fact he owns a business, Better Heating and Cooling, and I did fire him and wont be paying him. When

I told him "YOUR FIRED and I did not trust him" he hung up on me =)
The evaporator is 2.5 tons. I will be buying a new air conditioner this year so when I hire a new contractor to replace our old air conditioner I will make sure he knows about everything that went on with the previous guy.

One more question, When our heat is scheduled to kick on in the morning to 68 degrees sometimes the furnace does not start and the house remains at 64, or if it does, the air coming out of the vents is not hot at all, or it doesn't keep the house at the temperature that we have it set at?? Is there a possible computer problem here, that it needs to be reset, or reprogrammed?? Just wondering before I call someone to service it already.

I did not buy this furnace online I bought it from a near buy Goodman dealer for those that are wondering, NEW OUT OF THE BOX, Goodman 95% 90,000 BTU There is a warrenty on it.

Ed Imeduc
01-08-07, 12:09 PM
I did not buy this furnace online I bought it from a near buy Goodman dealer for those that are wondering, NEW OUT OF THE BOX, Goodman 95% 90,000 BTU There is a warrenty on it.
Then call them to cover it

Jay11J
01-08-07, 12:58 PM
I agree with Ed on calling the dealer you brought the furnace from and have them service it, and install the A/C for you..

Why didn't you have them install it for you in the first place?

timoty007
01-09-07, 10:15 AM
I bought the furnace through a local wholesale supply company. My Dad has a contractor license which allowed to to purchase the furnace. Since they sell to installers I'm pretty sure they don't offer installation service.

mattison
01-09-07, 10:40 AM
I hate to say it but you are going to have a tough time finding a quality contractor you can trust that will touch it. It wont be worth the liability.

Jay11J
01-09-07, 12:51 PM
I agree with Matt.

Is your dad a dealer???

Ask the supply house you brought this from (or your dad) where they can get service for warranity.

timoty007
01-11-07, 09:43 AM
mattison, thats what i was afriad of, I had an inspector come and look at the furnace and he said it is safe to run and almost to code =) I have to make a trap for the condensate since he piped that right into a another main line with out trapping it in order to meet code, but that was all. Ths inspector looked everything else over. The furnace seems to be running fine now, I am more curious about the future, since i wont be calling this guy back to service it, I'll need to call someone new.

My dad is not a dealer, he is a contractor, buy, sells, fixes, and rents houses. Thats how I have been able to remodel a forclosed house my wife bought and currently I live in. It went from, "we'll live here for 2 or 3 years to $20,000 later, and we never want to move." As a 25 year old I am sure i still have alot of lessons to learn.

This web site has walked me through most of my projects. THANKS TO EVERYONE......