Bricks, Masonry, Asphalt and Concrete - Raising Concrete pad
Doityourself.com community forum was created to provide answers to all questions related to home improvement and home repair. Doityourself community can help you find information about how-to topics on small fixes to large remodeling projects. With comprehensive how-to content and expertly moderated community forums DoItYourself.com makes it easy to tackle even the most complex home improvement projects.View Full Version : Raising Concrete pad
rockford33
08-07-06, 06:40 PM
I have a 3.5'x3.5' concrete pad outside my back door. Due to some improper grading when the house was built (before I bought it), water comes towards the back door and sits in the pad. I want to raise the height of the pad by addng more concrete on top (and eventually some outdoor tile or something). I only plan on raising it about 1/2" at the leading edge up to 7/8" at the back edge by the back door. This would still give me a good step into the house (about 5.5 inches). The following is my plan of action:
1. Clean existing pad
2. Coat pad with Sakrete Bond Fortifier
3. Raise pad using Sakrete Sand Mix. Bag stated it is good for topping 1/2" up to 2". Will use bond fortifier in place of water per directions.
4. Expansion joint between exposed foundation and new, raised pad.
5. Pour concrete and let cure.
My questions are:
1. I need to make forms. However, I can't find anywhere that carries any sort of bond breaker to coat the forms with so the concrete doesn't stick. Is it necessary?
2. I don't have a wheel barrow or mixer to mix the concrete. I really don't want to rent one because I don't have a way to get it to my house, and getting around to the backyard would be difficult anyway. Can I get a big plastic tub (like a mortar box) and mix it? Do I need to mix all of the concrete at once, or can I do it in batches (need about 3 bags)?
Anything else I should be aware of before tackling this project? As a Civil Engineer, I spec similar stuff all the time on plans, but this is the first time I am doing something like this myself.
Thanks,
Neil
1. Clean existing pad
2. Coat pad with Sakrete Bond Fortifier
3. Raise pad using Sakrete Sand Mix. Bag stated it is good for topping 1/2" up to 2". Will use bond fortifier in place of water per directions.
4. Expansion joint between exposed foundation and new, raised pad.
5. Pour concrete and let cure.
My questions are:
1. I need to make forms. However, I can't find anywhere that carries any sort of bond breaker to coat the forms with so the concrete doesn't stick. Is it necessary?
2. I don't have a wheel barrow or mixer to mix the concrete. I really don't want to rent one because I don't have a way to get it to my house, and getting around to the backyard would be difficult anyway. Can I get a big plastic tub (like a mortar box) and mix it? Do I need to mix all of the concrete at once, or can I do it in batches (need about 3 bags)?
Anything else I should be aware of before tackling this project? As a Civil Engineer, I spec similar stuff all the time on plans, but this is the first time I am doing something like this myself.
Thanks,
Neil
Concretemasonry
08-08-06, 09:05 AM
Regarding you slab topping -
You did not mention what kind of cleaning - A better route is slab preparation to get maximum physical and chemical bonding.
An exterior topping (especially thin) is a very fragile material and is subject to many forces. Do you have any frost/ temperature problems that could to peeling/delaminating?
Depending on the "fortifier", you could make future adhesion of a thin tile more difficult.
Dick
You did not mention what kind of cleaning - A better route is slab preparation to get maximum physical and chemical bonding.
An exterior topping (especially thin) is a very fragile material and is subject to many forces. Do you have any frost/ temperature problems that could to peeling/delaminating?
Depending on the "fortifier", you could make future adhesion of a thin tile more difficult.
Dick
rockford33
08-08-06, 09:55 AM
Thanks for the reply.
As far as cleaning, I was just meaning to get all dirt, grease, etc. off of the surface. Do you thinkit might need some etching?
There is definitely freeze/thaw here in Maryland. The pad is underneath a 2nd story wood deck so it doesn't usually get direct rain/snowfall, but it does get wet.
I will look into the tile adhesion more thoroughly. I would think this is not a very uncommon project. Maybe I would be better off having a slightly thicker section rather than the tile and do some coloring to the concrete when I pour it?
-Neil
As far as cleaning, I was just meaning to get all dirt, grease, etc. off of the surface. Do you thinkit might need some etching?
There is definitely freeze/thaw here in Maryland. The pad is underneath a 2nd story wood deck so it doesn't usually get direct rain/snowfall, but it does get wet.
I will look into the tile adhesion more thoroughly. I would think this is not a very uncommon project. Maybe I would be better off having a slightly thicker section rather than the tile and do some coloring to the concrete when I pour it?
-Neil