Lighting, Light Fixtures, Ceiling and Exhaust Fans - Quick help for another ceiling light conversion
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loosegroove
06-10-06, 08:17 AM
Here is another question about how to add a ceiling light (fan) to a room that currently has no overhead lighting. I was thinking about taking the current half switched floor outlet and turning it into an overhead light. I looked at the other user’s posts about this same type of project, but I didn’t see anyone with the same wire configuration that I currently have.
1) The switch has
a) One Red Wire Connected
b) One Orange Wire connected
c) One White cable pigtail is in the box but NOT connected to the switch
2) The Outlet has (horizontal)
a) One Orange on the top right
b) One White on the bottom right
c) One Red on the top left
This is for my upstairs bedroom that has fairly easy access from the attic?
My house is run with conduit, but it is not code in my town so can I use romex?
Does have suggestions on how to configure this setup
Thanks
Nick :wall:
1) The switch has
a) One Red Wire Connected
b) One Orange Wire connected
c) One White cable pigtail is in the box but NOT connected to the switch
2) The Outlet has (horizontal)
a) One Orange on the top right
b) One White on the bottom right
c) One Red on the top left
This is for my upstairs bedroom that has fairly easy access from the attic?
My house is run with conduit, but it is not code in my town so can I use romex?
Does have suggestions on how to configure this setup
Thanks
Nick :wall:
joed
06-10-06, 09:54 AM
Sounds like you have conduit. You can run from the receptacle or the switch to make it work.
Are you required to use conduit? If so then tell us where you are going to connect switch? or receptacle. Do you still want the receptacle to be switched?
Are you required to use conduit? If so then tell us where you are going to connect switch? or receptacle. Do you still want the receptacle to be switched?
loosegroove
06-11-06, 12:26 AM
I think that these are the answers to your questions
I am not required to use conduit
I think that I would like to make the connections at the switch because it should be a shorter run and is a little easier to access
It does not matter if the receptacle is still swtiched.
Thanks for the response - Do you have any thoughts on how to wire this configuration
I am not required to use conduit
I think that I would like to make the connections at the switch because it should be a shorter run and is a little easier to access
It does not matter if the receptacle is still swtiched.
Thanks for the response - Do you have any thoughts on how to wire this configuration
llib
06-11-06, 12:40 AM
i dont know why you would want to run off of your wall switch.most of the time you would just go in the attic and splice off of wires up there.get one of those mental,,thingies at lowes or home depot.for ceiling fan installation.that installs inbetween your wood joist and you cut a small hole,in the sheet rock,in the ceiling and your mental box,installs to the mental brace..then you run your three wires down though your box,and then you hang your cieling fan..remember mental boxes for cieling fans,do not use the platic blue or gray ones.two much weight for them..directions for this install,may come with the cieling fan..the guy at lowes or where ever you buy it.he will point you in the right direction
nap
06-11-06, 12:48 PM
The last previous post brought up a very good point.
Make sure you use a "fan rated" ceiling box.
I do not do a lot of residential so I don;t remember their code specifics as well as others here but you may be required to maintain the switched recep (designed for lighting control use). Even with this you could still use that same circuit to run the fan as well.
If you have conduit running up to the attic from the switch, it would be easiest to run single conductor wires to the attic then switch to romex at that point. Be sure to use a NM (romex) connector in the box where the NM leaves the boxes.
You need to figure out which (red or orange) is the hot wire and which is the switch leg at the switch. Once you do this, you need to run a wire from that point (pigtail the wire so you have one wire to the switched recep, one to the new fan run and a short pigtail to connect to the switch where the wire to the recep is connected now.) up to the attic to control the fan.
The white wire is apparently your neutral wire and also needs to be extended to the fan. This is not a switched wire. Since you are using conduit at this point, you may or may not have a ground wire. If you do, you need to extend this to the attic as well. If you do not, you must connect the ground wire from the NM wire to the metal box on the end of the conduit run. If you do have a ground conductor, when you extend it to the attic (via conduit) you need to connect it to the metal box and the ground wire in the NM cable.
If you want to eliminate the switched recep, you need to replace the recep with one that does not have the small jumper tab (on the side of the recep) removed or run a jumper wire from one hot terminal to the other hot terminal to make both receps work.
do not connect the switch leg from the switch to anything (wire nut it at the junction boxes at both ends or remove it entirely)
Just reconnect the neutral wire to the silver screw and the constant hot to the brass screw and green or bare to the ground screw. If you use metal boxes, you need to also attacjh a ground wire to the box and connect it to any other ground wire in the group.
Make sure you use a "fan rated" ceiling box.
I do not do a lot of residential so I don;t remember their code specifics as well as others here but you may be required to maintain the switched recep (designed for lighting control use). Even with this you could still use that same circuit to run the fan as well.
If you have conduit running up to the attic from the switch, it would be easiest to run single conductor wires to the attic then switch to romex at that point. Be sure to use a NM (romex) connector in the box where the NM leaves the boxes.
You need to figure out which (red or orange) is the hot wire and which is the switch leg at the switch. Once you do this, you need to run a wire from that point (pigtail the wire so you have one wire to the switched recep, one to the new fan run and a short pigtail to connect to the switch where the wire to the recep is connected now.) up to the attic to control the fan.
The white wire is apparently your neutral wire and also needs to be extended to the fan. This is not a switched wire. Since you are using conduit at this point, you may or may not have a ground wire. If you do, you need to extend this to the attic as well. If you do not, you must connect the ground wire from the NM wire to the metal box on the end of the conduit run. If you do have a ground conductor, when you extend it to the attic (via conduit) you need to connect it to the metal box and the ground wire in the NM cable.
If you want to eliminate the switched recep, you need to replace the recep with one that does not have the small jumper tab (on the side of the recep) removed or run a jumper wire from one hot terminal to the other hot terminal to make both receps work.
do not connect the switch leg from the switch to anything (wire nut it at the junction boxes at both ends or remove it entirely)
Just reconnect the neutral wire to the silver screw and the constant hot to the brass screw and green or bare to the ground screw. If you use metal boxes, you need to also attacjh a ground wire to the box and connect it to any other ground wire in the group.