Lighting, Light Fixtures, Ceiling and Exhaust Fans - installing a ceiling lamp
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Moody
06-09-06, 05:41 PM
Hi,
I would like to install a ceiling lamp in my daughter's bedroom, but there is no pre-existing wire. Currently I'm a using a table lamp. This one is plugged in an outlet that can be turned on/off with a switch. There is actually two outlets at the same location but only one is controlled by the switch. I would like to use the wire connecting that switch to the outlet to bring electricity to the ceiling lamp, without loosing the use of this outlet. Actually, if I disconnect this outlet, the other outlets from this room and the following won't work !
Is there a way to use this pre-existing wire for my ceiling lamp ? Should I make a derivation ?
Another precision: this wire has a black, a white, a red and a ground. The red, white and ground are going to the first outlet (controlled by the switch). The second outlet has his own black and white coming from another wire, but the black coming from the switch (first wire) is linked to the black from the wire connecting the second outlet (that's probably the reason why I loose all the outlets from this room when I unplugg the first outlet).
Should I use the white, red and ground only, in order to wire the ceiling lamp ?
Should I plug the lamp in series or in parallel with this wire to conserve the use of the switch ?
Thanks a lot for you helpfull advices !
I would like to install a ceiling lamp in my daughter's bedroom, but there is no pre-existing wire. Currently I'm a using a table lamp. This one is plugged in an outlet that can be turned on/off with a switch. There is actually two outlets at the same location but only one is controlled by the switch. I would like to use the wire connecting that switch to the outlet to bring electricity to the ceiling lamp, without loosing the use of this outlet. Actually, if I disconnect this outlet, the other outlets from this room and the following won't work !
Is there a way to use this pre-existing wire for my ceiling lamp ? Should I make a derivation ?
Another precision: this wire has a black, a white, a red and a ground. The red, white and ground are going to the first outlet (controlled by the switch). The second outlet has his own black and white coming from another wire, but the black coming from the switch (first wire) is linked to the black from the wire connecting the second outlet (that's probably the reason why I loose all the outlets from this room when I unplugg the first outlet).
Should I use the white, red and ground only, in order to wire the ceiling lamp ?
Should I plug the lamp in series or in parallel with this wire to conserve the use of the switch ?
Thanks a lot for you helpfull advices !
joed
06-09-06, 08:40 PM
Where are you trying to connect the ceiling fixture into the receptacle? or the switch?
Do you want the receptacle to be switched or unswitched?
Please confirm this info.
The white from the switch is connected to the switched receptacle and not the unswitched one?
Open the switch and tell us the wring in there as well.
Do you want the receptacle to be switched or unswitched?
Please confirm this info.
The white from the switch is connected to the switched receptacle and not the unswitched one?
Open the switch and tell us the wring in there as well.
Moody
06-11-06, 10:56 AM
I would like to connect the ceiling lamp into the switch, or in between the switch and the receptacle because the wire is more accessible in my attic. Is it possible to do that, I mean to cut the wire coming from the switch (in the attic), make a derivation from this wire to the lamp and then extend the wire until the receptacle ?
I don't care whether the receptacle is still switched or not, but I need to maintain all the other outlets (from this room and the following) functionnal. It seems that this receptacle need to be connected to the switch if I want to be able to use the other outlets...
Here is the description of the switch box :
I got to separate wires arriving at the bottom of the switch box.
the first one got a black, a white and a ground. the ground is connected to the switch, to the other wire arriving at the bottom, and to the wire connecting the switch to the receptacle (top of the switch box). The black is also connected to the switch, to the other wire arriving at the bottom of the switch box, and to the wire connecting the switch to the receptacle. The white is connected to the other wire arriving at the bottom of the switch box and to the wire connecting the switch to the receptacle, but not to the switch !
The switch is also connected to the wire coming from the receptacle (top of the switch box) with a red.
And there is the description of the receptacle :
The wire coming from the switch contains a red, a black, a white and a ground. The red is connected to the upper outlet (the only one controlled by the switch). The white is also connected to the upper outlet. The black is connected to the lower outlet and also to the black of the second wire which connect the lower outlet and probably make the link with the other outlets in that room and the following one. The ground is connected to the receptacle and also to the ground of the second wire.
The second wire is bringing a white for the lower outlet only and, as mentionned previously, is bringing a black to the lower outlet which is also connected to the black from the first wire.
I know it's a little bit hard to follow, but it would be easier if I could draw it !
Thanks again for your help !
I don't care whether the receptacle is still switched or not, but I need to maintain all the other outlets (from this room and the following) functionnal. It seems that this receptacle need to be connected to the switch if I want to be able to use the other outlets...
Here is the description of the switch box :
I got to separate wires arriving at the bottom of the switch box.
the first one got a black, a white and a ground. the ground is connected to the switch, to the other wire arriving at the bottom, and to the wire connecting the switch to the receptacle (top of the switch box). The black is also connected to the switch, to the other wire arriving at the bottom of the switch box, and to the wire connecting the switch to the receptacle. The white is connected to the other wire arriving at the bottom of the switch box and to the wire connecting the switch to the receptacle, but not to the switch !
The switch is also connected to the wire coming from the receptacle (top of the switch box) with a red.
And there is the description of the receptacle :
The wire coming from the switch contains a red, a black, a white and a ground. The red is connected to the upper outlet (the only one controlled by the switch). The white is also connected to the upper outlet. The black is connected to the lower outlet and also to the black of the second wire which connect the lower outlet and probably make the link with the other outlets in that room and the following one. The ground is connected to the receptacle and also to the ground of the second wire.
The second wire is bringing a white for the lower outlet only and, as mentionned previously, is bringing a black to the lower outlet which is also connected to the black from the first wire.
I know it's a little bit hard to follow, but it would be easier if I could draw it !
Thanks again for your help !
joed
06-11-06, 05:38 PM
If the wire in the attic is in fact the switch to receptacle wire then you could tap into it. It would be unusual to run up to the attic and down to the receptacle.
You would probably need two box as you need at least 6 inches of wire in the box for connection and there probably won't be enough slack to pull that much into the box from both ways.
You would probably need two box as you need at least 6 inches of wire in the box for connection and there probably won't be enough slack to pull that much into the box from both ways.