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RandyB
01-23-06, 05:52 PM
I have a Pole Building that I use as a garage. The building is about 38 feet long x 27 feet deep , 10 foot ceiling . Most of the time I would only be heating half of it. I need some type of constant heat source such as oil as I am away much of the day . Any and all suggestions will be welcomed .Please email me at xxxxx@xxx.com

Many Thanks, Randy


bolide
01-23-06, 07:04 PM
I need some type of constant heat source such as oil as I am away much of the day. Any and all suggestions will be welcomed. Please email me at xxxxx@xxx.com
E-mail address sounds like a porn site.

Have you considered a heater that burns waste oil?
I get ads for them a lot. Might suit your application.

For a new oil furnace, something like the AirEase LBF80C57D12 would work.
Run the heat in big ducts almost to the other end(s) of the garage.
Pick up the cold air from the floor at the furnace directly into the filter box.
I'm not clear on how you partition the halves, but you can use registers or round duct to shut off heat to the other half.
Or for more money, something fancier can be had!

RandyB
01-23-06, 08:39 PM
Yep your right ,email looks a little porn :) I was unaware that email addresses are forbidden in posts. The editors dressed it up a bit with the x's . I will consider the model you mention,nothing fancy needed here just so it heats the building. I saw a few old units on ebay but I passed on them only because it does need to be safe lol I'm not in the building much through the day but my mouser Pumpkin is and he's a fine hard working cat who loves the sun but hates high CO2.


bolide
01-23-06, 10:53 PM
I will consider the model you mention, nothing fancy needed here just so it heats the building.

You can order one on the Internet if you know how to set it up (oil tank, check valve, filter, electricity, thermostat, air filter, supply plenum, duct work).

The LUF80C57D10 is the no frills upright version (54" high versus 37" for the Lo-boy configuration). Since you have a high ceiling, you have plenty of room for it.

A new one does come with some sort of warranty. But as you say, it's new and should be in excellent shape.

I would probably use the lo-boy but suspend it or support it so that that its fire is a couple of feet above the garage floor in case you ever spill anything flammable in the winter.

Grady
01-24-06, 06:24 PM
Before buying anything, do a Manual J heat loss calculation even if it is a quick & dirty version. No sense in spending money on something which either won't do the job or is way too big. Here is a short form which will get you some idea as to size of equipment you need. http://www.burnham.com/Heatloss1.cfm

bolide
01-24-06, 07:19 PM
no sense in spending money on something which either won't do the job or is way too big.Basically I ran the calculation from pessimistic to optimistic and the two models I mention are suitable, I believe, because they can be resized anywhere from 57,000 to 72,000 BTU/h with a $5 oil nozzle change.

Anything smaller is not commodity priced. I really doubt that he needs anything bigger, in cold weather he'll be dressed warmly. So it doesn't have to be conditioned to domestic standards of comfort. I believe it will keep the cat from freezing.

A lamp in the window on a thermostat controlled switch would be a good idea to alert for low temperature.

RandyB
02-16-06, 08:40 AM
Hello and many thanks to all for the replies. I will update the post once the heating job is complete. I have prepared the space for the furnace by framing in a corner of the building as a furnace room,double layered 5/8" firecode sheetrock. Also installed a hi temp sensor with a feed wire from the building to the house in cases of fire. This was done so I can save the car lol the cat will be safe only because the wife has decided she just will not let him move to the garage no matter how nice I make it :) I will be installing something though that will keep it about 70 degrees at all times because I will use the building to store a car ,a shop for my business and have also finsihed one side complete to home type living conditions as a music room. That is the side I will warm at all times . I service high end medical equipment for the US Veterans Administration and will keep many pricy power wheelchair modules and other medical devices and parts on that side. The warm 24/7 side will also be home to my Selmer Sax's and Haynes Flutes so that when the guys drop in with the noise makers we won't jazz the wife and cat out of the house:) Not counting the furnace room which is ready I have bugeted about 3 thousand to do the furnace, thermostat, oil tank and ducts. I just cannot figure out why many of the websites offer electric and gas furnaces but have no oil furnaces? Anyone have a handle on why this is? Take Care and many thanks again, Randy

Grady
02-16-06, 06:15 PM
One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned is combustion & ventilation air. Be sure to provide plenty of air to the furnace both for combustion & exhaust purposes. As far as why so few websites offer oil fired equipment: Oil is becoming almost a niche market. Once you get away from the Northeast, you see very little oil fired residential equipment.

bolide
02-16-06, 08:40 PM
I just cannot figure out why many of the websites offer electric and gas furnaces but have no oil furnaces?I concur that the market is smaller than for natural gas. The other difference might be that the market is further fragmented because homes that are heated with oil might have a boiler instead (This story about "Killing The Oil Furnace" (http://www.hammerzone.com/archives/hvac/oil_furnace/termination.htm) might be of interest).



A recent Google search for new Lo-boy oil furnace price (http://www.google.com/search?q=new+Lo-boy+oil+furnace+price) gave me quite a few results.

thermofridge
02-17-06, 05:41 PM
This brings up a subject maybe Grady can help with. I am not a fan of oil furnaces simply because 99% of the homes here are heated with gas and oil is foreign to me. In my world, I can not for the life of me figure why one would install an 80% oil furnace over a 95% gas furnace. Even with the fact that oil has more BTUs per unit, every time i do the comparison gas is far cheaper to operate. Is it because in the northeast oil prices are lower and gas higher? Here, LP is @ $1.50 a gallon. Oil is @ $2.35 a gallon. What am I missing?

Grady
02-17-06, 05:55 PM
Here, the price of a gallon of oil & a gallon of propane are very close, usually within 10-20 cents.
Aside from cost of operation, I like the safety of oil. After some explosive disasters, one local county has outlawed the installation of LP appliances in a crawl space.
As a contractor, when I asked my insurance agent about adding propane fired heating equipment to my list of equipment on which I was allowed to work (per insurance policy), my premium was going to TRIPLE. I was already covered for oil, natural gas, electric, & heat pumps.

thermofridge
02-17-06, 10:51 PM
Thanks Grady. I just wasnt sure if the prices were that close elsewhere.

Grady
02-18-06, 08:14 PM
In your neck of the woods, oil & LP are very close to the same cost BTU for BTU, where mine are a lot higher for LP. Interesting but I wonder why since they are both petroleum products.