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txnoob
01-14-06, 04:22 PM
First off, I do realize that windows are also vulnerable to quick smash-n-grab theives. I plan on getting to those, but I have to take it one step at a time, mainly because of finances.
Anyway, we've got a new entry door installed on the home. I already have a Medeco 6 bit deadbolt installed. Medeco makes some of the best deadbolts I've ever seen.
However I want some additional security on the door. Right now that's the only lock on the door. I need at least another deadbolt that has no outside key access, or preferably a couple of these "dropbolts" that Medeco labels them.
Here's a picture of what I'm talking about:
http://www.medeco.com/products/products_detail.php?category_ID=16&clear=16&
However, when I go online to stores such as this:
http://www.vflock.com/view_image.cfm?mfg_name=Medeco&mfg_dir=medeco&prod_name=Medeco%20Steelguard%20Dropbolt&item_id=1232
This is telling me that the dropbolt actually has an outside key access point, which I don't need. All I want is the inside part. What do I need to order to get the inside components only? I'd like to get 2 of these installed on the door, simply because I'm paranoid.
However I'd also like to install some kind of a steel bar that I could attach to the door. Not sure what the exact term is for these devices, but they are simply a long steel rod attached to the door and you push them into a pre-drilled hold, perhaps in the ceiling or floor. Does this make sense?
Anyway, we've got a new entry door installed on the home. I already have a Medeco 6 bit deadbolt installed. Medeco makes some of the best deadbolts I've ever seen.
However I want some additional security on the door. Right now that's the only lock on the door. I need at least another deadbolt that has no outside key access, or preferably a couple of these "dropbolts" that Medeco labels them.
Here's a picture of what I'm talking about:
http://www.medeco.com/products/products_detail.php?category_ID=16&clear=16&
However, when I go online to stores such as this:
http://www.vflock.com/view_image.cfm?mfg_name=Medeco&mfg_dir=medeco&prod_name=Medeco%20Steelguard%20Dropbolt&item_id=1232
This is telling me that the dropbolt actually has an outside key access point, which I don't need. All I want is the inside part. What do I need to order to get the inside components only? I'd like to get 2 of these installed on the door, simply because I'm paranoid.
However I'd also like to install some kind of a steel bar that I could attach to the door. Not sure what the exact term is for these devices, but they are simply a long steel rod attached to the door and you push them into a pre-drilled hold, perhaps in the ceiling or floor. Does this make sense?
cuedude
01-14-06, 07:12 PM
First off, I do realize that windows are also vulnerable to quick smash-n-grab theives. I plan on getting to those, but I have to take it one step at a time, mainly because of finances.
Anyway, we've got a new entry door installed on the home. I already have a Medeco 6 bit deadbolt installed. Medeco makes some of the best deadbolts I've ever seen.
However I want some additional security on the door. Right now that's the only lock on the door. I need at least another deadbolt that has no outside key access, or preferably a couple of these "dropbolts" that Medeco labels them.
Here's a picture of what I'm talking about:
http://www.medeco.com/products/products_detail.php?category_ID=16&clear=16&
However, when I go online to stores such as this:
http://www.vflock.com/view_image.cfm?mfg_name=Medeco&mfg_dir=medeco&prod_name=Medeco%20Steelguard%20Dropbolt&item_id=1232
This is telling me that the dropbolt actually has an outside key access point, which I don't need. All I want is the inside part. What do I need to order to get the inside components only? I'd like to get 2 of these installed on the door, simply because I'm paranoid.
However I'd also like to install some kind of a steel bar that I could attach to the door. Not sure what the exact term is for these devices, but they are simply a long steel rod attached to the door and you push them into a pre-drilled hold, perhaps in the ceiling or floor. Does this make sense?
Hi Txnoob,
OK, let me get this right. You want just the inside of an actual deadbolt? Your link showed a Medeco drop bolt lock. Medeco is a very respectable lock, I agree. If you are just going to use it as an extra latch, I suggest installing it without the outside lock. Simply omit that part of the installation. On the pro side, it is hidden, and cannot be detected from the 0utside. On the Con side, it is still easy to simply kick or pry past it. The weakest part of the installation are the screws that hold it on.
Another suggestion is to check out what Schlage or someone has to offer in the Thumb Bolt column. This is Half a Deadbolt, and mounts into the door. Again, no one can detect it, and offers about the same protection as a dead bolt. The installation is pretty tricky though. Most us locksmiths are used to drilling through doors. Stopping half-way through is something that takes a bit of practice doing. (Not trying to down anyone in my profession, just pointing out that the installation is not easy).
One thing about locks which is most important to remember: There is no such thing as a Theft Proof Lock. Someone that wants past it can find a way.
As far as the steel rods, They are known as Flush bolts, foot bolts, Barrell bolts, just a whole lot of things. I like to call them flush bolts. They are available at most box type stores, hardware stores, and the like. One thing to remember is make sure there is something solid for it to latch/lock into. Solid framework, brick, tile, or whatever. And the more snug the fit, the better it works. Slop in the locked door will eventually increase, and make it easier to get past. And put them on both top and bottom.
That's about it. Doing all that will make your door really difficult to get past. Just remember one more thing? Should a fire happen, unlocking and undoing all that will take time, if you actually remember what to do in a situation of frenzy. We've all heard: Oh, I'll just do this...simple. Not so. Fire causes people to panic, and they tend to forget the obvious. I wouldn't want you or your family hurt or worse, in the event of needing to get out. (I also wouldn't be much of a Locksmith if I didn't tell you of the possibilities either.)
Please let us know what you deside to do, and I hope somewhere in my response you find your answer.
cuedude
Anyway, we've got a new entry door installed on the home. I already have a Medeco 6 bit deadbolt installed. Medeco makes some of the best deadbolts I've ever seen.
However I want some additional security on the door. Right now that's the only lock on the door. I need at least another deadbolt that has no outside key access, or preferably a couple of these "dropbolts" that Medeco labels them.
Here's a picture of what I'm talking about:
http://www.medeco.com/products/products_detail.php?category_ID=16&clear=16&
However, when I go online to stores such as this:
http://www.vflock.com/view_image.cfm?mfg_name=Medeco&mfg_dir=medeco&prod_name=Medeco%20Steelguard%20Dropbolt&item_id=1232
This is telling me that the dropbolt actually has an outside key access point, which I don't need. All I want is the inside part. What do I need to order to get the inside components only? I'd like to get 2 of these installed on the door, simply because I'm paranoid.
However I'd also like to install some kind of a steel bar that I could attach to the door. Not sure what the exact term is for these devices, but they are simply a long steel rod attached to the door and you push them into a pre-drilled hold, perhaps in the ceiling or floor. Does this make sense?
Hi Txnoob,
OK, let me get this right. You want just the inside of an actual deadbolt? Your link showed a Medeco drop bolt lock. Medeco is a very respectable lock, I agree. If you are just going to use it as an extra latch, I suggest installing it without the outside lock. Simply omit that part of the installation. On the pro side, it is hidden, and cannot be detected from the 0utside. On the Con side, it is still easy to simply kick or pry past it. The weakest part of the installation are the screws that hold it on.
Another suggestion is to check out what Schlage or someone has to offer in the Thumb Bolt column. This is Half a Deadbolt, and mounts into the door. Again, no one can detect it, and offers about the same protection as a dead bolt. The installation is pretty tricky though. Most us locksmiths are used to drilling through doors. Stopping half-way through is something that takes a bit of practice doing. (Not trying to down anyone in my profession, just pointing out that the installation is not easy).
One thing about locks which is most important to remember: There is no such thing as a Theft Proof Lock. Someone that wants past it can find a way.
As far as the steel rods, They are known as Flush bolts, foot bolts, Barrell bolts, just a whole lot of things. I like to call them flush bolts. They are available at most box type stores, hardware stores, and the like. One thing to remember is make sure there is something solid for it to latch/lock into. Solid framework, brick, tile, or whatever. And the more snug the fit, the better it works. Slop in the locked door will eventually increase, and make it easier to get past. And put them on both top and bottom.
That's about it. Doing all that will make your door really difficult to get past. Just remember one more thing? Should a fire happen, unlocking and undoing all that will take time, if you actually remember what to do in a situation of frenzy. We've all heard: Oh, I'll just do this...simple. Not so. Fire causes people to panic, and they tend to forget the obvious. I wouldn't want you or your family hurt or worse, in the event of needing to get out. (I also wouldn't be much of a Locksmith if I didn't tell you of the possibilities either.)
Please let us know what you deside to do, and I hope somewhere in my response you find your answer.
cuedude
txnoob
01-14-06, 07:43 PM
cuedude: thanks for the info on the flush bolts.
Now back to the deadbolt situation, remember I just want to use the single deadbolt with outside key access.
I'm not sure if "dropbolt" is the correct industry terminology for the type of lock I posted with the picture, but what I want is that type of lock for the inside only that has a thumbturn. As I understand it, that type of lock affixes to the door and the other part affixes to the frame. When closed it creates a sort of vise grip.
My question is for this Medeco Steelguard model dropbolt, can I order that lock for what I'm wanting to accomplish, that I can use it as an indoor accessible only lock?
Now back to the deadbolt situation, remember I just want to use the single deadbolt with outside key access.
I'm not sure if "dropbolt" is the correct industry terminology for the type of lock I posted with the picture, but what I want is that type of lock for the inside only that has a thumbturn. As I understand it, that type of lock affixes to the door and the other part affixes to the frame. When closed it creates a sort of vise grip.
My question is for this Medeco Steelguard model dropbolt, can I order that lock for what I'm wanting to accomplish, that I can use it as an indoor accessible only lock?
cuedude
01-15-06, 06:15 AM
'Morning txnoob,
Yes, the Medeco can be used as you wish, no problem. The only thing about it is you may also have to pay for the Lock cylinder for the outside, even though you don't use it. If it were me, I would order it to match the Deadbolt. (Keyway was Biaxle in the examples you sent. Is that the same as the Deadbolt?) This way, if one of the cylinders on the deadbolt should fail, you have a spare.
Check back as there may also be others with items or suggestions for you. There is alot of knowledge on this board. Also, keep us posted if you would.
cuedude
Yes, the Medeco can be used as you wish, no problem. The only thing about it is you may also have to pay for the Lock cylinder for the outside, even though you don't use it. If it were me, I would order it to match the Deadbolt. (Keyway was Biaxle in the examples you sent. Is that the same as the Deadbolt?) This way, if one of the cylinders on the deadbolt should fail, you have a spare.
Check back as there may also be others with items or suggestions for you. There is alot of knowledge on this board. Also, keep us posted if you would.
cuedude
WGW
01-15-06, 06:43 PM
Both Weiser and Schlage make a "security bolt" that is basically a deadbolt with a thumbturn on the inside but no outside cylinder as cuedude has already said.
These are pretty good protection being that they are undetectable from the outside. But be sure to beef up the frame side where the bolt engages too, so it does'nt become a weak point.
A suggestion...
measure your frame from top to bottom and get yourself a piece of aluminum angle. Install that the full frame side length and drill out your strikes with a 1" hole saw for the bolts to engage. You may have to mortise out a bit of wood to accomodate the aluminum though.
As for the steel bolt you asked about, I've installed "barricade bars" to suit the customers needs. This mounts at mid point on the door and a turn of a T-handle throws bolts into each side of the frame. With a little customizing, a rim cylinder can be made to operate the bars from the outside if so desired.
They are known as barricade bars here, but might go by other names elsewhere.
That's a whole lot of protection but as cuedudes says, it could also become a real obstacle in the event of a fire or such.
When you get to your windows, Lexan or something similar applied over (or in place of) the existing glass will frustrate a would be thief when the "glass" simply will not shatter even when hit hard with a hammer.
Regards
These are pretty good protection being that they are undetectable from the outside. But be sure to beef up the frame side where the bolt engages too, so it does'nt become a weak point.
A suggestion...
measure your frame from top to bottom and get yourself a piece of aluminum angle. Install that the full frame side length and drill out your strikes with a 1" hole saw for the bolts to engage. You may have to mortise out a bit of wood to accomodate the aluminum though.
As for the steel bolt you asked about, I've installed "barricade bars" to suit the customers needs. This mounts at mid point on the door and a turn of a T-handle throws bolts into each side of the frame. With a little customizing, a rim cylinder can be made to operate the bars from the outside if so desired.
They are known as barricade bars here, but might go by other names elsewhere.
That's a whole lot of protection but as cuedudes says, it could also become a real obstacle in the event of a fire or such.
When you get to your windows, Lexan or something similar applied over (or in place of) the existing glass will frustrate a would be thief when the "glass" simply will not shatter even when hit hard with a hammer.
Regards