Flooring Tile - tiles coming loose

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tinner73
01-02-06, 07:42 AM
in my bathroom i have installed 12x12 stone tiles on my floor. i took up some 1/2" plywood subflooring that was rotten and replaced with 1/2" cementboard. about 8 months after completion i noticed the grout staring to pop loose. now, 18 months later some of the tiles are loose and the grout is almost gone. i used the same tiles for a 3" baseboard as well the tiles near the walls seem ok. is my floor flexing? bad thinset? thanks in advance.


Daniel Wachtel
01-02-06, 08:03 AM
Yes it is flexing.

What is under the cement board?

tinner73
01-02-06, 08:23 AM
thanks for the quick reply.
i believe there was 2 sheets of 1/2" plywood originally. now 1 sheet of 1/2" plywood under the 1 sheet of 1/2" cement board. this is on the first floor with a finished basement with drywall ceiling.
what is odd is...this is the third bathroom that i have done in my house like this. this is the only tiling issue that i've had. i've tiled them all the same way.


Daniel Wachtel
01-02-06, 08:54 AM
One layer of 1/2" is not enough to support a tile floor and a 1/2" CBU does not add structural strength.

tinner73
01-02-06, 10:30 AM
this is wierd. i have a bathroom next to this one with a shared plumbing wall. i installed the tile on that room as well. using the same procedure.

how do i remedy?

Tilebri
01-02-06, 12:07 PM
Stone requires twice the support as tile. If you used that method in the other bath with ceramic and it's holding, count your blessings. At a minimum, you would have needed 5/8 t-g plywood subfloor with 1/2" backer and that is scraping the barest bones minimum. That would be for ceramic, not stone. If you really have only 1/2" of subfloor, you are now just playing a waiting game for probable future issues with the other floors.

To fix the issue with the stone, you will need to pull the floor up, add 3/4 bc graded ply then backer. You will probably need ti reinforce your joists as well. What's their size, spacing, and unsupported span?

tinner73
01-02-06, 12:47 PM
the other bath is actually 12x12 granite tiles i installed in 2000.

the hall bath floor is about 6.5'x4.5'. it's just a hallway bathroom. i used the same tile as baseboard and as the tub suround so tearing it out is gonna make me sick. the joists underneath are on2x8 on 16" on center. therei s a beam that runs the length of house and is pretty much under the door of that bath. the house is a raised ranch.

thanks again for all the help guys.

bigmtk
01-02-06, 06:43 PM
I see two problems with your install.

1. too much deflection from your floor joists. Stone floors require a deflection rating of L720 or better.

2. Not enough subfloor.

While your other tilework seems to be holding up well for now, chances are it will not last the 50+ years that it should.