Painting - kind of a painting fix

Hi,

We started painting our bedroom with a deep orange shade.. and half way thru realised something was not right. The paint looks blotchy and roller marks/brush marks are real visible. so now the Q is...
Do we prime over the already orange painted walls with a tinted primer for better finish?
what do we do with the other half of the room that never saw orange?
and... will priming the walls give us a clean slate so from that point on whatever we apply will look even for the whole room?

Sorry for the long post.. but its debate at home.. and we need advice. Thanks in advance.

Archie

Well, there could be a few things going on here

The orange paint quality, and what it's going over
The roller sleeve type & quality and rolling technique

It could be "normal" depending on the above

If you are using foam sleeves, and/or trying to squeeze out every last bit of paint from them, it would look as you described

If it is going over a very different color it could look as you described

First coat of cheap paint could look as you described

Depending on what it's going over, I don't think primer will help
It may or may not be a priming issue

A few Qs to help figure it out:

What type/brand of orange?
What type/nap/brand roller sleeve?
What type/brand of brushes?
What color is the orange going over?

I would add to the questions 1 more

Tell us your rolling and brushing technuque,and what kind of paint was on the wall previously---- flat, eggshell, semigloss, gloss and how you prepared it. If you are using a decent paint like SW, BM, or Behr it may be an application issue.Or it could be like red --the first coat rarely looks good.



It may also be that, like red, it may require more than two coats if not put on a properly primed surface or even a properly primed one. What is the brand, sheen, and actual color[name] of the paint.Orange ===red +yellow[two difficult colors] +??? to tame it down

Thanks for the replies. Here are the details :


What type/brand of orange?
Behr Latex Eggshell (Color - Pumpkin Patch http://www.behr.com/behrx/inspiration/fashionable_9.jsp )

What type/nap/brand roller sleeve?
3/8 - Linzer Synthetic Lambwool

What type/brand of brushes?
Purdy (for the edges)

What color is the orange going over?
The usual pale yellow color on apt/house walls :-)

Brushing TEchnique - The M technique over a 2 ft square area and then moving along

use a larger nap roller cover at least 1/2 maybe 3/4. Paint is plenty good keep it mixed. Pay attention to technique,make a bigger M[or no M at all.just pay attention to get complete coverage, and finish off ceiling to floor--full stoke. don't wait till the roller is empty to reload

If the paint was glossy or semigloss [you did not say and it is important] you may need to sand or prime with something like Zinsser bullseye 123 tinted to the finish color. Paint will sort of slide on a glossy surface during application and could produce the probs you had..

Use the brush first and roll over as much of the brush marks as you can. Don't wait too long after you brush to roll though and don't get any on the ceiling :wall:

What gloss level are you painting over? Do you know if it may have been oil based.

I doubt if it was semi-gloss or gloss in a BR, but it could be. That would cause the problems you describe.

I differ with Joneq on Behr quality. The one and only time I tried it was about a year ago and I had the same brush issues you describe. I know I was painting over a flat paint and I know I was using a good brush and I know my technique is good. I had to adjust my technique (slow down and shorten my stroke). I made a similar adjustment on rolling. Yes - took me longer to paint that room than if I had used SW or BM.

If you know you're painting over flat or satin, just give it another coat.

I use about 1/2 the time,but I always add Floetrol[didn't mention it here, but have before]. It defintely helps. I use Floetrol with all non gloss latex paints including BM. I don't really use it in Behr because I have to, I just like the way things look when I get done and it does make all paints easier to apply. I agree that Behr is a little different. I can't remember the last time I needed more than 2 coats of Behr to cover unless it was a difficult color. BM will cover better though.

I think the problem was the nap on the roller,and not applying at the proper rate. That W thing is way over rated imo

That pumpkin patch color doesn't look at all like what I thought. I don't know where they got the name from. Don't look orange at all.

Add the Floetrol (http://www.flood.com/Flood/Products/Interior/FauxFinishing/Floetrol+Product+Page.htm) It doesn't really cost anything because you get more paint. Shake it well if you use it.

What type/brand of orange?
Behr Latex Eggshell (Color - Pumpkin Patch http://www.behr.com/behrx/inspiration/fashionable_9.jsp )

What type/nap/brand roller sleeve?
3/8 - Linzer Synthetic Lambwool

I would expect that result with the materials/tools mentioned above
Increase the nap size
I would also be careful of technique, as often trying to squeeze too much paint out of the sleeve will produce similar results
As per the paint, I would not expect good results until the third, or fourth, coat

Thanks a lot for all the replies guys. It really helped us newbies a lot.

Changing the nap, doing a second coat, being generous on the paint , and changing the technique helped a lot. Our room is in a much better shape now. :) :)

I agree on the nap size, 1/2" at least, 3/4" if you really want to boogie. :thumbup: