Walls and Ceilings - Just finished sheetrocking cathedral ceiling...
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rkoudelka
10-31-05, 11:42 AM
This was no easy job!. But it all went up (12 footers) and teh spacing is beautiful.
The problem is, there was so much of the time where working conditions were awkward (even with the drywall jack) that alot of screws got driven too deep or off center of thr studs.
So, when the jack got moved and the scaffold could be placed better those screws were doubled up (placing another properly an inch or so away).
So, the question is, is it possible to use too many screws?
The problem is, there was so much of the time where working conditions were awkward (even with the drywall jack) that alot of screws got driven too deep or off center of thr studs.
So, when the jack got moved and the scaffold could be placed better those screws were doubled up (placing another properly an inch or so away).
So, the question is, is it possible to use too many screws?
bigmtk
10-31-05, 02:48 PM
Not that I know of.
Only problem is you may add time to your finishing work.
It takes longer to finish the screws than it does to finish the seams, unless you know how to hit a row of screws at one time instead of individually.
Only problem is you may add time to your finishing work.
It takes longer to finish the screws than it does to finish the seams, unless you know how to hit a row of screws at one time instead of individually.
rkoudelka
11-01-05, 08:18 PM
It takes longer to finish the screws than the seams? No... how is that possible?
marksr
11-02-05, 07:19 AM
Unless the nails/screws are grouped together it is a here and yonder finishing chore. All the taped areas are a straight line shot where you can slap the mud on the wall and drag the knife [not as much stopping and starting] Although it may take less skill to finish screw heads I would much rather finish the joints.
joneq
11-02-05, 08:55 AM
I think it it easier to finish the screw heads, but it may take someone who does not know what they are doing longer. People who are inexperienced at covering the taped joints will take much longer than an experienced person. That is why it might not take longer to do the screw heads imo.
A few things to remember----
"don't put on too much mud". It is easy to put more on and time consuming to remove it :wall: .
Nailheads do not get any more mud than it takes to fill the indentation and need very little sanding if done properly.You need to put the mud on in 1 direction and take it off in the opposite direction when doing screw or nail heads.
I might consider adding screws in between the ones you have there already to make more of a line to add additional support that could be done in 1 stroke[like a taped joint, but much easier] rather than a lot of individual spots. If it is applied and sanded properly it could lessen the chance of seeing the individual screw heads. Again it is important to "just fill the indentation", and let it fully dry[shrink] before doing the final coat and a little sanding.
The last reccomendation is just something I do sometimes. It is not difficult for me. I know what I am doing though. I actually think it is faster. In my opinion the less stopping and starting there is the better the job looks, as long as the mud is applied properly.
A few things to remember----
"don't put on too much mud". It is easy to put more on and time consuming to remove it :wall: .
Nailheads do not get any more mud than it takes to fill the indentation and need very little sanding if done properly.You need to put the mud on in 1 direction and take it off in the opposite direction when doing screw or nail heads.
I might consider adding screws in between the ones you have there already to make more of a line to add additional support that could be done in 1 stroke[like a taped joint, but much easier] rather than a lot of individual spots. If it is applied and sanded properly it could lessen the chance of seeing the individual screw heads. Again it is important to "just fill the indentation", and let it fully dry[shrink] before doing the final coat and a little sanding.
The last reccomendation is just something I do sometimes. It is not difficult for me. I know what I am doing though. I actually think it is faster. In my opinion the less stopping and starting there is the better the job looks, as long as the mud is applied properly.
rkoudelka
11-02-05, 11:30 AM
Im a little confused though. Considering that screws are attached to joists or studs, they are always in a line. The most they could possibly be out of line is 1.5 inches.
When I do screws, I try to do the folowing. Put compound on with small trowel (either 2 or 4 inch). When I take it off, I make sur to apply good pressure so I leave as little build up as possible.
But, I never heard, or thought of, remove it from opposite direction. Why is that, what does it do?
Also, I didnt get the thinking about adding more screws inbewteen what I already have. Why is that agian?
When I do screws, I try to do the folowing. Put compound on with small trowel (either 2 or 4 inch). When I take it off, I make sur to apply good pressure so I leave as little build up as possible.
But, I never heard, or thought of, remove it from opposite direction. Why is that, what does it do?
Also, I didnt get the thinking about adding more screws inbewteen what I already have. Why is that agian?
rkoudelka
11-02-05, 11:32 AM
Oh, I just reread - I seee what you mean about adding the screws.
joneq
11-02-05, 11:35 AM
You cannot have enough screws imo,especially when it will be a hassle to work on the ceiling should you need to. The simple fact is that that is how you do the nail heads. you never put it on and take it off in the same direction. You have been doing it wrong all along. Listen to your joneq.
MudSlinger
11-13-05, 10:13 AM
Joneq,
I agree with the never too many screws. One wouldn't think that a 4 inch square patch could ever use 8 or more screws; although if you do it right, and reinforce each corner of the patch and each corner of the existing wall, you have 8 screws - and haven't even put 1 in the "field" of the patch!
That equals one screw for every 2 square inches (min).
I also agree that putting the mud on in one direction and smoothing/removing in the other is essential.
When I fill screws, I always wipe the compound tight to the wall for each coat. Three coats and all the screws are filled smooth. I couldn't imagine having to sand every screw in a 4500 square foot house.
I do prefer doing seams, although doing screws is kind of a mindless break every now and then.
You do have great advice Joneq, thanks.
I agree with the never too many screws. One wouldn't think that a 4 inch square patch could ever use 8 or more screws; although if you do it right, and reinforce each corner of the patch and each corner of the existing wall, you have 8 screws - and haven't even put 1 in the "field" of the patch!
That equals one screw for every 2 square inches (min).
I also agree that putting the mud on in one direction and smoothing/removing in the other is essential.
When I fill screws, I always wipe the compound tight to the wall for each coat. Three coats and all the screws are filled smooth. I couldn't imagine having to sand every screw in a 4500 square foot house.
I do prefer doing seams, although doing screws is kind of a mindless break every now and then.
You do have great advice Joneq, thanks.