Carpentry and Woodworking - Picture Framing? / Panel molding Project

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holydragon
08-07-05, 02:58 PM
I just ran across a tutorial for installing picture frames at xxxxxxxxxxxx.com. It seems really straight forward but they recommend using hot glue to hold the joints together. Has anyone every tried this project and was it really that easy? Also, does the hot glue really work or do I need wood glue?

HD


marksr
08-07-05, 07:03 PM
I have never used hot glue [for anything] Wood glue can be very helpful when building a picture frame wainscotting. Often there won't be a stud where you really would like to nail.

Herm
08-07-05, 08:09 PM
I'm sure they use the hot glue because of the super fast set up time. Not necessary in my opinion for this application. Like marksr stated, regular wood glue works great for picture frame molding. That way if you shoot a nail into it, it doesn't matter if it hits a stud, it just needs to hold it in place until the glue has time to set up.


Sawdustguy
08-07-05, 08:18 PM
Technically Speaking, You don't need to use any adhesive. Its only asking for problems when it comes to painting.

marksr
08-08-05, 07:30 AM
Technically Speaking, You don't need to use any adhesive. Its only asking for problems when it comes to painting.

I disagree - glue can be very helpful. You do need to use care and be sure to wipe off any excess before it dries or you will have painting problems as sawdustguy stated.

Sawdustguy
08-08-05, 09:03 PM
The rule of thumb in cabinetmaking is that if it's not meant to support something, there should be no reason to glue it 90% of custom cabinets that are manufactured do not have any glue holding the cabinets together.

I guess I'm questioning your return statement of

"I disagree - glue can be very helpful. You do need to use care and be sure to wipe off any excess before it dries or you will have painting problems as sawdustguy stated"

If it can be an obvious problem and especially since someone is doing it for the first time, I would heed caution on using anything that could make the project a nightmare or not turn out as good as it should or could. If the walls are being painted and the person wants to be anal about it, they could always caulk any spaces and then do touchup paint. Glue of any kind will not hide the gaps.

So I guess I'm a bit confused as to what the purpose of glue would be in this application. :confused:

Also, wood glue isn't meant to glue moldings to drywall.

I can appreicate glue being used only at the miter, but to glue the actual molding to the wall, well...

marksr
08-09-05, 07:08 AM
The reason for my disagreement is when installing picture frames on walls there is often lack of good nailing surface. An adhesive helps secure the trim to the wall where there is nothing but drywall to attach it to. IMO caulk is always a must to give the job a finish appearance.

Sawdustguy
08-09-05, 03:09 PM
If the proper length nail is used, once you caulk it, the caulk will act as glue. ;)

GregH
08-09-05, 05:42 PM
I'm not sure that the question is being answered.
Maybe HD can clear it up.

It appears as if the question is how to glue the joints on a picture frame together, not how to glue molding to a wall.

Herm
08-09-05, 07:47 PM
It appears as if the question is how to glue the joints on a picture frame together, not how to glue molding to a wall.



Greg is right, I certainly misread the question. Necessary or not, I would still use regular wood glue to hold the joints together. I'm a firm believer of overkill.

chris8796
08-12-05, 12:48 PM
I'm currently working on doing this in my house. I used wood glue and brads to hold the corners together. I was planning on using finish nails and a small amount of construction adhesive to hold the frames to the wall. I will then caulk any cracks after I'm finished.

I would say this project is for an advanced DIYer, I think the difficult part will be getting every thing level and parallel.

Sawdustguy
08-12-05, 03:20 PM
Depending upon the style and thickness of your molding, I would recommend you nail the rectangles together as a frame and then nail it to the wall. That way it assures you to have a nice joint and it's easier to install.