Lighting, Light Fixtures, Ceiling and Exhaust Fans - Light switch not working for newly installed ceiling fan

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double dee
07-07-05, 08:28 PM
I installed a new ceiling fan w/ a light fixture into a small bedroom that did not have a ceiling fan or light fixture. The bedroom does have a light switch that controls one of the outlets on the wall. I routed 14-3 wire from the new ceiling fan to the current light switch. At the ceiling fan, I connected all the green ground wires together, all white wires together, and the black/blue wires together. At the current light switch, I connected the white to white, green to green, and black to black.

When I turned the circuit back on and flipped the switch, nothing happened to the ceiling fan. And now the outlet on the wall is always hot/on (if I am using the correct terminology). I double checked the connections, even changed the light switch, and still nothing.

Any suggestions for the 1st timer.


Phil H
07-07-05, 10:22 PM
It sounds like your switch started off with only two wires plus a ground. You probably need to changes some wires at the receptacle. If you post back exactly what wires you have in the receptacle and what wires are at the switch. Someone should be able to give you clear directions.

As a general rule, at the receptacle, you want to connect all of the black wires together and have them attached (pigtailed) to both gold colored screws. All of the white wires would be connected together and attached to one of the silver screws. Then at your switch, the original white wire would be connected to your new white wire with a wire nut. And, the original black wire would go to one of the screws on the switch and your new black wire would go to the other screw. All of the grounding (green or bare) would be attached together and attached to any metal box and to the green screws on the switch.

By the way, on your receptacle you should notice a tab between the two silver screws. Originally the gold side had a similar tab that was probably broken off so one half of the receptacle is hot all of the time and the other half switched. This is why you need the hot power going to both gold screws. If you replace the receptacle, you can have power going to only one of the gold screws.

One last thing, you probably should get a book like "Wiring Simplified" and read it before you do this kind of work.

John Nelson
07-08-05, 07:47 AM
The fix will be very simple, but we need some of the information that Phil requested to be sure. To start with, tell us how the receptacle is currently wired.


joed
07-08-05, 01:33 PM
At the receptacles change the wires so the white are all together and the blacks are all together. You currently should have a black and a white together.

double dee
07-09-05, 12:44 PM
Thanks for the advice and a wiring book will be in my future.

The switch currently has 3 wires - black, white, and ground.

The receptacle has 2 wire bundles present and wired the following: 1) both grounds together, pigtailed, and then a lead that is screwed to receptacle, 2) wire bundle #1 white, wire bundle #2 black, and a black pigtail is connected with a wire nut and connected to the bottom outlet, 3) wire bundle #1 black is connected to the top outlet, 4) wire bundle #2 white is connected to the bottome outlet.

John Nelson
07-09-05, 03:11 PM
This is a half-switched receptacle. Take it out, discard it, and buy a new receptacle. The problem with the old receptacle is that the tab has been removed on the brass screw side, and you want a receptacle with the tab still in place.

At the new receptacle: One black to one brass screw. The other black to the other brass screw. One white to one silver screw. The other white to the other silver screw. Grounding as it was on the old receptacle (both grounds together, pigtailed, and then a lead that is screwed to receptacle).At the switch: Grounding the same as at the receptacle. One black wire to one switch screw. The other black wire to the other switch screw. The two white wires to each other (and not to the switch at all)This makes the receptacle unswitched, which I hope is okay with you because you really have no other choice unless you want to change the wiring behind the wall.

By the way, a cable with one black wire, one white wire, and one bare wire is called 14/2, not 14/3. A 14/3 cable also has a red wire. It appears that you ran 14/2 rather than 14/3 (which is good).

double dee
07-11-05, 08:24 AM
Yes, 14-2 wiring was used. Tried your recommendation and it worked. Your the best. Thanks for guiding this rookie. Keep up the great advise.