Electronic Alarms and Home Security Devices - Need help adding a entry/exit delay to zone

Hi,
I have a Caddx nx-8. I need to change one of my current zones (which is a basement door that currently alarms when tripped). I would like to reprogram this zone so that there is a entry /exit delay for openning or closing this door. The key panel is a nx-1300E. I have the program code I am not sure of the sequence. Rather than screw up the setting I hope someone can lay out the steps. Thanks.... :o

That's pretty straight forward: *8 + [code], (the service LED will flash and the 5 function LEDs will light steady); then enter 0# to enter panel programming (the armed LED will light). Enter 25# to go to the section for zone types. The LEDS will display value of the first segment in binary (1=1, 2=2, 3=4, 4=8, 5=16, 6=32, 7=64, 8=128; you add them together)

There are 8 segments, 1 for each zone. To change the data in any given segment, enter the new value followed by *; to skip to another segment enter * without keying a new value. When you run out of segments, it goes back to the section selection level. When you are done, press the [exit] key twice to return to run mode.

Just to make sure I understand. Once I get to the segment I want to edit. In my case its zone 5. I would go 25#, 0#, ***** . Now if this brings me to the correct zone how do :coffee: I tell it I want a entry/exit delay of say 15 secs. Is it as simple as 15#,15#,15#,15#. and then exit, exit ? Does that make sence?

Ok, you are getting the steps a little scrambled. It's 0# (program the main control) 25# (go to section 25). You are correct in getting to zone 5 by pressing * but 4 times, not 5 (you start out already in the data for zone 1).

You need to set the zone to an entry/exit delay zone type: there are two correct entrys for this purpose: 3 (entry/exit delay 1) which uses the same entry delays as your normal entry door(s), or 9 (entry/exit delay 2) which uses an alternate set of entry/exit delays.

There is no way to set individual, zone by zone delays.

The entry/exit delay times are set in section 24. The defaults for both delay1 and delay2 are 30sec entry and 60 second exit. You can change any of the 4 settings, but this affects _all_ zones that use that delay set.

Do you have the installer manual for this system. I like these systems, but they are not easy to program without having the programming charts to refer to.

Yes, I do have the manual. I also found another more detailed one on-line. I will give it a try tonight when I get home. I will post results. Thanks...

Thanks so much MrRonFL !!!

After going into program mode and then doing a 0#, 25#, ****, 3#, ***, exit, exit. Alll is working well. I do have one other question. I went back in to do a review to see if I could better understand the settings and there is one thing I am not sure about. After I hit 25# to go into the right mode for programing, my zone 1 shows =12, zone 2 = 13, zone 3 = 23, zone 4 =14, zone 5=12, etc.... I am assuming that based on the " default zone types" is what these numbers represent. Can you explain in future detail, in the event I need to reprogram another zone? Thanks.... :)

The LEDs are giving you binary numbers. Refer to the table on the first page of the section on proramming the control. You add the digits: 1=1 2=2 3=4 4=8 and so forth. Zone 1 is 1+2=3. The chart on page 18 of the manual tells you what each zone type does: For example, your zone 3 totals 6 which is an instant zone.

The trick with these devices, is you have to wade through the manuals. They tend to be poorly organized and laid out, but the information is in there.

Hi, I need to do a similar thing. I recently moved into a house with an ADT alarm, the only identification of the type of alarm is on the control box (Networx NX-4). I have search everywhere online and have managed to source the user manual and a "CADDX NetworX NX-4 Control/Communicator Installation Manual". Then i found this cool site :)

Are these instructions the same for the NX-4 as they are for the NX-8? I have never programmed an alarm before, only computers :P i had a service guy come down to reset the alarm code but there are two zones which need an entry delay to be able enter the side door of the house when the alarm is armed without it sounding...

Yes, Caddx is one of those rare lines where all of the models program identically. The only real difference between the NX-4 and NX-8 is the number of zones the unit will support, and the number of partitions available.

If ADT set the system up, the installer code is probably 6321.

The one drawback of Caddx/Networx panels is that there is no way to hardware default or bootstrap into program mode. If you don't have the installer code it takes dealer software to bypass the installer code.

Thanks for your help MrRon, I am in australia, would this change the installer code? If i try out these programming commands, will it tell me somehow if the code i have is incorrect? Also, when you set the zone to entry exit delay (3 for the first setting) do you end it with * or #?

Cheers

# is the selection key for moving from program section to program section. * is the enter key for entering data. If you try to go into program mode with *8 [installer code] and it's the wrong code, you will get a triple beep and it will ignore you (the electronic equivalent of a "raspberry") otherwise.

Hmm, Australia. So far, for years, ADT has been pretty consistant in the use of 6321 for a programmer code. Let us know if it works or not.

I tested this out tonight, i did *8 (function lights started flashing) 6321 and nothing seemed to change, so i tried 0# and all the function lights just turned off and it was back to normal... i didnt get any beeping though, should i assume it is the wrong installer code? i tried to continue entering the commands nonetheless but it didnt seem to do anything. I did notice that if i type *8 6321 * 0 the service light comes on and it has a constant beep, continuing with # stops the beep. Not sure if that is relevant, but i thought i would try it..

Nope, it sounds like your local ADT bunch didn't use the standard code used here in the US. You can try the factory default, 9713, but I doubt that it will work.

Bingo! :thumbup: I used that code (9713) and it liked it!! :) I hope i did it right, i dont want to test it at the moment (its 10.30 i think my neighbours my get scared if i set it off accidently hehe), this is what i entered

*8 9713 0# 25# * 3* ********* (to get back to red on light) exit exit

It changed the values of the zone data, i will look up the installer manual when i get into work and see what it means (2,3=6 i think)

But for some reason there seemed to be 10 zones? I assume its just the setup of my alarm...

Thanks heaps for your help Ron! You're a legend :) I will let you know if it works when i test it out

An NX-8 will support 48 zones, but the programming segments are in groups of 8. You might have just miscounted as you stepped through the segments.

That was a stroke of luck. ADT here in the US almost _never_ leaves the factory default (they also seldom use Caddx/Networx hardware).

After testing the alarm out during the day, as to not wake any neighbours!! The alarm sounded on the zones i had changed :( I checked the segments and they had the correct value in them (1,3=3 entry/exit delay 1), however I can press * eleven times before it returns with the red light on... i counted them several times! I thought the problem might be something to do with instant on/auto bypass so i tried to check this location (23) which has 3 segments, however i could only display the first one, when i pressed * again it went to the red light... the same was for location 24, which is supposed to have 4 segments for entry/exit delay times... I have gone over my commands, is there something i am doing wrong which makes me go to the wrong locations??

p.s thanks for your patience!

Lights 1(1) and 3(4) being lit equals a binary 5 which would be interior follower with autobypass, which only has a time delay if an entry/exit has been tripped.

If you say that this is a NX-4, unless there's something radically different about the export version of this system, then there's something that I'm missing in your description of your steps. Both the original NX-4 and the NX-4-V2 systems are identical in these sections of programming. The only program locations that should have more than 8 segments are the phone number locations, and the sections for setting zone characteristics.

Option selection sections like 24 program differently than the data entry sections. You select the options by simply selecting the digit listed for a given feature. The led for that feature will turn on when you are in that segment. Pressing * then moves to the next segment.

Give the chapter on programming and programming data a thorough read, just to make sure that you aren't inadvertently entered an unexpected location.

Sorry Ron, I had 3 in my head! I programmed the zone to 1,2 = 3 not 1,3 doh..

i have read through the manual.. my printout is pretty shabby from all the page turning. The weird thing in location 25 was the segments (i wrote them all down) were:

segment 1: 3,5
segment 2: 1,2
segment 3: 1,2
segment 4: 2,3,4,5
segment 5: 1,3
segment 6: 1,3
segment 7: 1,2
segment 8: nothing
segment 9: 4,5,6,7
segment 10: nothing

segments 2 and 3 are the ones i have programmed and originally had no data in it. The weird thing is the values 4,5,6,7 and 2,3,4,5 are invalid for standard zone types (in the table it only goes up to 20).

I also noticed that the sensors arent as sensitive since i changed the values (you really need to jump infront of them), but this might just be my imagination

The unit i have has an adt control panel (no display) and the box up in the cupboard has a big "NETWORX" image with NX-4 written on it.. it doesnt actually say "caddx", i only assumed it was a caddx model as it was the only type of "networx nx-4" i could find.. I could take a photo of it if that would help identify it!!

When you enter a program code, you dont need to ring the company for the alarm to download some code or something? I havent read anything like that in the manual... and the installer code seems to be accepted so it must be the right panel :wall: :wall: :wall:

Caddx/Networx are the same company. Just a branding change after being bought by GE a few years ago.

Are there any other boards in this can other than the main control? (i.e. a wireless reciever or zone expansion board)

I'm almost wondering if you somehow got into the programming for an option board

I don't believe so.. There are only 7 zones, one is the smoke alarm. I havent opened the box because i think it trips the alarm when its opened. I had the phone company reconnect my house and when they opened the box the alarm went off and the service light stayed on until i called adt.. So you think i might be programming the wrong module? Could it be possible that the board is in a different position in the box?

perhaps i could try

*8 code 1#?

instead of 0#

It is very interesting though! thanks for your help so far!

7 zones? You definitely have an expansion board of some type. A NX-4 only has 4 hardwired zones without any add-ons. Even with add-ons a NX-4 maxes out at 8 zones.

The board locations in programming are a specific list. Only certain devices use specific addresses. The main board is _always_ 0.

Is your system wired or wireless?

The areas where you got 4 lit digits look more like one of the option select areas. There is something _odd_ here....

i am pretty sure it is wired (unless the smoke alarm(s) are wireless) they all have a wire going from the sensor to the ceiling... i cant tell on the control panel, but i would assume this is wired also. Are there any programming options that could give us some diagnostics about the boards that are installed?

Also, just aside, in the manual, what is a "UL" installation? i can't seem to find the definition anywhere in the manual

Cheers

If if was wireless, there would be a couple of antennae poking out of the system box, and you would have transmitters on many of the locations instead of just contacts.

Either there is a hardwired expander board, or they used the zone-doubling scheme to get 7 zones out of a NX-4.

No. There is no keypad level diagnostic. Normally, I just open the box and look. The system sounds like it has a tamper switch on the panel door. Just call your monitoring center, put it on test, and look.

I wish I could give you more useful information, but we are reaching the limits of second-hand information.

My alarm isnt being monitored at the adt side. Just to mess around, i tried *8 code 1# and it was exactly the same as 0#. Would it have anything to do with having to call adt before applying the code? I remember when the alarm guy was here the first time, he had to call adt and quote some numbers..

thanks for your help ron, i will call adt and see what they say!

Hey i figured it out woohoo!! :thumbup:

Before ringing ADT i decided just to do a little more searching on the net for info on the nx-4, and came across some system called a "DAS NX-4" hosting from an australian site, so i looked up the installer manual for the das nx-4 and it seemed almost identical to the caddx installer manual, however the locations (called features in this manual) were different numbers! And looking up feature 25, there were 10 segments!! I went to the correct feature (zone editing, 18) and all the segments matched up, i was able to set the zones to type 3, tested it all out and it works perfectly :)

So i would have to assume the "DAS" nx-4 systems are perhaps just modified caddx systems for the australian market? But if anyone from oz needs to program their ADT alarm, search google for the das installer manual.

Thanks for your help Ron, you have taught me a lot about alarm programming and wouldnt be able to do this without your help :)


Cheers,

Mike

I'm glad that worked out. The overseas versions of alarm hardware often differ radically from the N. America versions. The GE Interlogix database makes _no_ mention of the DAS panel variant.

The LEDs are giving you binary numbers. Refer to the table on the first page of the section on proramming the control. You add the digits: 1=1 2=2 3=4 4=8 and so forth. Zone 1 is 1+2=3. The chart on page 18 of the manual tells you what each zone type does: For example, your zone 3 totals 6 which is an instant zone.

The trick with these devices, is you have to wade through the manuals. They tend to be poorly organized and laid out, but the information is in there.

Hello, Actually we bought a CADDX NX-4 panel. Can you tell me how to set an entry/exit time in this panel.

Hello, can anyone let me know how to program an entry/exit time delay in CADDX NX-4 panel. It will be a great favour. Thanks.

Ummmm....From message #4 in this thread:

"The entry/exit delay times are set in section 24. The defaults for both delay1 and delay2 are 30sec entry and 60 second exit. You can change any of the 4 settings, but this affects _all_ zones that use that delay set."