Painting - Slipped on the latex
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postart
04-08-05, 09:19 AM
Hi fellow DIY'ers. A couple of newbie's here with some painful problems...
My fiance and I spent the past week ever night after work painting the existing cabinets, cabinet doors & spray painting the hinges in our kitchen. After enduring waking up the following mornings exhausted and still covered in paint in our hair & under our nails, we were ready & looking forward to moving on to painting the walls of the kitchen this weekend.
While I was removing the masking around the cabinets last night after applying the third coat of KILLZ, we realized we'd been painting with not your oridinary KILLZ primer, but a latex high-gloss that started peeling off immediately like a thin film upon removing the masking surrounding the cabinets.
:wall: (X10)
My question now is (after reading the label on the paint just a tad too late), should we go back now and reapply essentially a forth coat of primer followed by another coat of this latex or should we just give it another coat of latex, waiting until bits and pieces start to peel. Reason I ask is I don't know now if the primer itself will even adhere to the latex anymore & I wonder if our efforts so far have been a bust. Perhaps we should strip the latex competely, rough-up the base and refinish the right way, using the primer 1st & latex 2nd.
Fact is BTW, the folks at the hardware store who sold us the paint pointed out it was the product for us: "see here, the label says it's ideal for cabinets". Doh! We at least sufficiently clean the surfaces prior.
Any suggestions?
Jason
postart
My fiance and I spent the past week ever night after work painting the existing cabinets, cabinet doors & spray painting the hinges in our kitchen. After enduring waking up the following mornings exhausted and still covered in paint in our hair & under our nails, we were ready & looking forward to moving on to painting the walls of the kitchen this weekend.
While I was removing the masking around the cabinets last night after applying the third coat of KILLZ, we realized we'd been painting with not your oridinary KILLZ primer, but a latex high-gloss that started peeling off immediately like a thin film upon removing the masking surrounding the cabinets.
:wall: (X10)
My question now is (after reading the label on the paint just a tad too late), should we go back now and reapply essentially a forth coat of primer followed by another coat of this latex or should we just give it another coat of latex, waiting until bits and pieces start to peel. Reason I ask is I don't know now if the primer itself will even adhere to the latex anymore & I wonder if our efforts so far have been a bust. Perhaps we should strip the latex competely, rough-up the base and refinish the right way, using the primer 1st & latex 2nd.
Fact is BTW, the folks at the hardware store who sold us the paint pointed out it was the product for us: "see here, the label says it's ideal for cabinets". Doh! We at least sufficiently clean the surfaces prior.
Any suggestions?
Jason
postart
marksr
04-08-05, 09:34 AM
At this stage of the game I think I would sand and touch up and hope and pray for the best. Although probably the most correct thing to do would be to strip them and start over, that's a lot of work. Occasionally something painted incorrectly will last. Primer will stick to the top coat but I don't believe it would make a differance.
Be always forewarned, sales people quite often don't know much about what they are selling. Quite often thier knowledge is based only on the manufactures brochures.
Be always forewarned, sales people quite often don't know much about what they are selling. Quite often thier knowledge is based only on the manufactures brochures.
joneq
04-08-05, 12:21 PM
No paint is fully cured for weeks after application.Adhesion has only started. Even the primer may have peeled a little. Kilz requires you to sand[not degloss]glossy surfaces and polyurethane in case one of them was what was on your cabinet. Before I did anything I would let it cure for a while, then sand the edges fill where the paint came off and onto the existing paint with auto body putty, prime and apply another coat of paint. Forget using tape unless absolutely necessary and if you do score the line and pull the tape off properly. Like this ---- tape put vertically on a wall ----pull the tape off directly toward the floor not out toward the middle of the room.
If I might ask Why were you putting on 3 coats of kilz and why were you taking the tape off before you topcoated.Did I miss something. Kilz will not stick so good to the gloss paint you have on your walls. you will need to sand them or use a zinsser product [search zinsser]
If I might ask Why were you putting on 3 coats of kilz and why were you taking the tape off before you topcoated.Did I miss something. Kilz will not stick so good to the gloss paint you have on your walls. you will need to sand them or use a zinsser product [search zinsser]
BobF
04-09-05, 11:10 PM
You pulled the tape off too late. The tape should have been removed after the first coat was applied. What you describe is very common if you wait a day or two (or even longer) to remove the tape. If you need a second coat, retape. PIA? Most certainly. Thats why we urge diyers to learn to use a brush to do it w/o tape.