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Jaebeez
04-06-05, 04:17 PM
hello i am installing a plug,light fixtures and a switch to turn the lights on. The switch and light fixtures do not have ground recepticals but the plug does every time i try to turn them off i blow the fuse can anyone tell how i would go about installing this from scratch with the parts i have they are all nessecary wire, boxes, light fixtures plug, and switch
Thank you
Jaebeez
Thank you
Jaebeez
John Nelson
04-06-05, 04:48 PM
What exactly does "from scratch" mean? Unless you are building a new house, nothing is really from scratch. What do you have to work with? Where are you getting power from? Is it a 15-amp or 20-amp circuit? What else is currently on that circuit?
joed
04-06-05, 04:49 PM
You probably wired a switch loop wrong. You are actually turning on the switch to blow the breaker.
Tell us how you connected everytihng.
Tell us how you connected everytihng.
Jaebeez
04-06-05, 04:50 PM
15 amp
thank you
Jaebeez
thank you
Jaebeez
Jaebeez
04-06-05, 04:57 PM
i had connected first the plug wich has to resepticals for both black and white aswell as a ground receptical. then i was going to connect the switch from the plug and lights from the switch. the light switch only has two recepticals for i am asuming pos/neg. the light fixtures have 2 pos and 2 neg
recepticals
Thank you
Jaebeez
recepticals
Thank you
Jaebeez
John Nelson
04-06-05, 04:58 PM
You should not have any white wires connected to the switch. Do you?
Jaebeez
04-06-05, 05:13 PM
no nothing is connected
John Nelson
04-06-05, 06:29 PM
"nothing is connected"??? You mean nothing is connected to anything anywhere?
Please give us a complete description of your wiring. Use a lot of words.
Please give us a complete description of your wiring. Use a lot of words.
racraft
04-06-05, 06:35 PM
One other comment. Do not use the terms positive and negative with AC power, as they mean nothing. The hot wire is actually both positive and negative, and the neutral is actually grounded.
Speedy Petey
04-06-05, 06:41 PM
Also, try to use more correct terms. We don't expect laymen to know all the correct terms but this:
i had connected first the plug wich has to resepticals for both black and white aswell as a ground receptical.
is very confusing.
How can a plug have a receptacle? See what I mean?
A receptacle is what you put a plug into on the wall.
A plug is what is on the end of a cord.
A light fixture is a fixture.
A socket is where you screw a bulb into.
Not nitpicking, just trying to make things clearer for all.
i had connected first the plug wich has to resepticals for both black and white aswell as a ground receptical.
is very confusing.
How can a plug have a receptacle? See what I mean?
A receptacle is what you put a plug into on the wall.
A plug is what is on the end of a cord.
A light fixture is a fixture.
A socket is where you screw a bulb into.
Not nitpicking, just trying to make things clearer for all.
Jaebeez
04-06-05, 07:18 PM
OK first thing first i want to put up lights and an outlet i understand that there are supposed to be three wires i have black white and copper
i want to run that wire to a switch and then to the lights as i said before i have black white and copper there are 2 screws to conect the wires to the switch not three same for the light fixtures. the switch has two screws with no variance (i can't tell where to put black or white) the fixtures have 2 sets of screws silver and brass there is no place for for the copper wire the switch says 15 amps so how do i put all together were it works properly
i want to run that wire to a switch and then to the lights as i said before i have black white and copper there are 2 screws to conect the wires to the switch not three same for the light fixtures. the switch has two screws with no variance (i can't tell where to put black or white) the fixtures have 2 sets of screws silver and brass there is no place for for the copper wire the switch says 15 amps so how do i put all together were it works properly
Desy2820
04-06-05, 08:56 PM
your incoming power to the recepticle box. Run another cable from the recepticle box to the switch box. Finally, run a cable from the switch box to the light box. If you have more than one light box, then run a cable from the first light box to the second light box.
Connections:
Receptacle: Look closely at your receptacle. The screws on one side will be brass or dark colored. The other side will be silver or light colored. You have two of each color wires here, your power cable wires and the ones to your switch. Connect both the black wires to the dark screws-one wire only under each screw. (The top and bottom is connected electrically already for you by the brass tab under the screws) Connect the white wires on the light side the same way. Use a wire nut and connect both grounds togehter along with a short piece of the same wire-this is called a "pigtail" and the short wire connects to the ground screw on the outlet. You must also ground the box if it is metal the same way.
Light switch: Look closely at the switch. Should be two screws on the side, both same color. Also one ground screw. Connect both white wires together and push connection into the box. Connect one black wire to each side screw. Connect the grounds the same way as the receptacle.
Light Fixture: Match colors, black to black and white to white. Connect grounds-if the fixture has them, some may not. If the ground is not needed, push into box-but don't let it touch any other bare wires. If more than one light fixture, then you'll still match colors, you'll simply have 3 wires per connection. (one cable in, one out, one for lights themselves). Connect the grounds together.
You should have constant power for the receptacle and the switch will control the light(s).
You may want to look over these articles, as they have some pictures and more information: http://doityourself.com/electric/
I'm not trying to bash you, but the devil is in the details. For example, if the area you're working is an unfinished basement, outside, kitchen, bathroom, garage or laundry room then there are some special things you may need to do to comply with safety rules (National Electric Code). You may need a GFCI outlet for example. For kitchens, bathrooms, and laundry areas there's a whole set of different rules. Also, if you're house is old enough and you're trying to extend an ungrounded circuit-basically you're not allowed to at all. You would have to run a new, grounded circuit. I'd highly suggest you find some books on basic home wiring and make sure that you do this safely.
Hope this helps!
Connections:
Receptacle: Look closely at your receptacle. The screws on one side will be brass or dark colored. The other side will be silver or light colored. You have two of each color wires here, your power cable wires and the ones to your switch. Connect both the black wires to the dark screws-one wire only under each screw. (The top and bottom is connected electrically already for you by the brass tab under the screws) Connect the white wires on the light side the same way. Use a wire nut and connect both grounds togehter along with a short piece of the same wire-this is called a "pigtail" and the short wire connects to the ground screw on the outlet. You must also ground the box if it is metal the same way.
Light switch: Look closely at the switch. Should be two screws on the side, both same color. Also one ground screw. Connect both white wires together and push connection into the box. Connect one black wire to each side screw. Connect the grounds the same way as the receptacle.
Light Fixture: Match colors, black to black and white to white. Connect grounds-if the fixture has them, some may not. If the ground is not needed, push into box-but don't let it touch any other bare wires. If more than one light fixture, then you'll still match colors, you'll simply have 3 wires per connection. (one cable in, one out, one for lights themselves). Connect the grounds together.
You should have constant power for the receptacle and the switch will control the light(s).
You may want to look over these articles, as they have some pictures and more information: http://doityourself.com/electric/
I'm not trying to bash you, but the devil is in the details. For example, if the area you're working is an unfinished basement, outside, kitchen, bathroom, garage or laundry room then there are some special things you may need to do to comply with safety rules (National Electric Code). You may need a GFCI outlet for example. For kitchens, bathrooms, and laundry areas there's a whole set of different rules. Also, if you're house is old enough and you're trying to extend an ungrounded circuit-basically you're not allowed to at all. You would have to run a new, grounded circuit. I'd highly suggest you find some books on basic home wiring and make sure that you do this safely.
Hope this helps!
Jaebeez
04-07-05, 01:53 PM
thanks desy every things working