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George2002
01-19-05, 08:01 PM
One of the outlets in the kitchen is dead... I removed the outlet and measured the only 2 wires there.. about 35volts. Its not the breaker cause other outlets on the same circuit work. This happened all of a sudden. Any ideas or tips where else to look and most likely causes? Thanks!!
John Nelson
01-19-05, 09:13 PM
The two most likely causes are (1) a failed backstab connection causing an open neutral, or (2) a tripped GFCI. If you spend $8 on an outlet tester at your home center, it can help us decide which of the two is more likely. Then we can suggest possible remedies.
Note that the failure may not be at the dead receptacle. It may be at one of the nearby working receptacles.
Note that the failure may not be at the dead receptacle. It may be at one of the nearby working receptacles.
George2002
01-20-05, 06:03 AM
Thanks for the reply! The kitchen doesnt have a GFI. The other outlets on that circuit work... just this one doesnt. This one just has the two wires, red and white, coming out of the wall and I removed the outlet and measured the voltage at the 2 wires. Perhaps I should check the neutral at all the other outlets on that same circuit?? Anything else?
George2002
01-20-05, 06:29 AM
oh yes, one more thing, i noticed that the dead outlet buzzes, even when the outlet is removed. anotherwords, there is a buzzing sound coming from the 2 wires. Since this outlet only has 2 wires, it may be the last outlet on the circuit. I think the kitchen range hood and fan is where it comes from before. Hope this helps for any tips on what to look for. Thank you!
John Nelson
01-20-05, 07:52 AM
Take three voltage measurements. You apparently measured the voltage between the two wires and got 35 volts. But also measure each wire to a known good ground.
You say that the kitchen doesn't have a GFCI. But if the dead outlet is GFCI protected, the GFCI in question is not necessarily in the kitchen. It could be in some weird place like the crawl space. But take the voltage measurements and/or get the outlet tester before you go crawling around under the house.
If your outlet buzzes even after you remove it from the wall and put it in your pocket, I'd call the ghostbusters.
You say that the kitchen doesn't have a GFCI. But if the dead outlet is GFCI protected, the GFCI in question is not necessarily in the kitchen. It could be in some weird place like the crawl space. But take the voltage measurements and/or get the outlet tester before you go crawling around under the house.
If your outlet buzzes even after you remove it from the wall and put it in your pocket, I'd call the ghostbusters.
George2002
01-20-05, 08:07 AM
Thanks for the input! The house was wired in the 1960's... no GFI's. I meant to say that there is a bussing sound from the 2 wires. At this point, it may be an open neutral in the circuit.
George2002
01-24-05, 06:10 AM
Ok... I took a look at the other outlets in that circuit and all the conenctions seem tight there but i still have no voltage at the dead outlet. Could it be a break within the wall or am I mssing something here. Any ideas? Thanks!
joed
01-24-05, 05:08 PM
Get yourself one of the 3 light plugin testers. Try it in the receptacles and tell us the results.
Are any of the wires connect by the pushin connection on the back of the recptacles? If they are you should move the wires to the screw terminals. The pushin connections are very often the cause of the problem you are having. Wire is not like broken inside the wall unless you have been doing some work like hanging a picture or siding on the outside of your house.
Are any of the wires connect by the pushin connection on the back of the recptacles? If they are you should move the wires to the screw terminals. The pushin connections are very often the cause of the problem you are having. Wire is not like broken inside the wall unless you have been doing some work like hanging a picture or siding on the outside of your house.
GWIZ
01-25-05, 12:43 AM
Ok... or am I mssing something here. Any ideas? Thanks!
You said red and white wire.
That red wire tells me it may be splitting 240 volts.
more-more-more.... than likely its on a separate breaker.
How do you know this plug is on the same circuit as the other plugs?
Did you see that same red wire going to the other plugs ?
Some times a tripped breaker will show the lever in the on position.
you need to switch the breaker to the off position then back to the on position to reset the breaker.
Look for a mislabeled breaker. or try resetting all the breakers one at a time.
I would think the buzzing is your clock on the other side of the wall.
You said red and white wire.
That red wire tells me it may be splitting 240 volts.
more-more-more.... than likely its on a separate breaker.
How do you know this plug is on the same circuit as the other plugs?
Did you see that same red wire going to the other plugs ?
Some times a tripped breaker will show the lever in the on position.
you need to switch the breaker to the off position then back to the on position to reset the breaker.
Look for a mislabeled breaker. or try resetting all the breakers one at a time.
I would think the buzzing is your clock on the other side of the wall.