Toilets, Sinks, Showers, Tubs and Disposals - Shut-off Valve Clearance & Sink Replacement
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vtm
11-24-04, 08:27 AM
We have a small half bath and want to replace the wall-hung sink. We have looked at pedestal sinks. However, I am very concerned about the space I have for the pedestal. The pipes and shut-off valves are close together and protrude from the wall a decent amount. The distance from center to center on the valves is about 6 1/2 inches, which means I have about 5 1/2 inches between the valve handles and the drain line runs between the two. The valves stick out from the wall 5 1/2 inches.
I have looked at many pedestal sinks. Many of the spec sheets (at least I have looked at) show the shut-off valves at 8 inches apart. Furthermore, looking at the sinks, it looks like most of the pedestals set very close to, if not closer than, 5 1/2 inches to the wall. Which looks to me the hot and cold shut-offs are going to interfere with a "simple" installation of a pedestal sink. The valves might be too close together to fit the pedestal between them. If the pedestal cannot go between the valves, the valves might also stick out too far from the wall to correctly position the pedestal.
I'm far from anything you would call a plumber, so I would be very nervous about moving the pipes and valves. I am looking for any suggestions people might have. Are there pedestal sinks out there that would fit in my existing scenario? Is there an easy way to relocate the pipes and valves if I need to do that? Is it best to just go with another wall-hung and could it use the bracket from the existing (American Standard) sink? Any other suggestions or thoughts????
Thanks in advance for any ideas. I really want to know what I am about to get into (before I get into it) and I am not sure the best way to proceed.
Vic
I have looked at many pedestal sinks. Many of the spec sheets (at least I have looked at) show the shut-off valves at 8 inches apart. Furthermore, looking at the sinks, it looks like most of the pedestals set very close to, if not closer than, 5 1/2 inches to the wall. Which looks to me the hot and cold shut-offs are going to interfere with a "simple" installation of a pedestal sink. The valves might be too close together to fit the pedestal between them. If the pedestal cannot go between the valves, the valves might also stick out too far from the wall to correctly position the pedestal.
I'm far from anything you would call a plumber, so I would be very nervous about moving the pipes and valves. I am looking for any suggestions people might have. Are there pedestal sinks out there that would fit in my existing scenario? Is there an easy way to relocate the pipes and valves if I need to do that? Is it best to just go with another wall-hung and could it use the bracket from the existing (American Standard) sink? Any other suggestions or thoughts????
Thanks in advance for any ideas. I really want to know what I am about to get into (before I get into it) and I am not sure the best way to proceed.
Vic
Plumber2000
11-24-04, 08:37 AM
The valves stick out from the wall 5 1/2 inches.
Vic
What type of pipe do these shut off valves connect to?
Can you not shorten the shutoffs stub outs to a closer position near the wall?
Vic
What type of pipe do these shut off valves connect to?
Can you not shorten the shutoffs stub outs to a closer position near the wall?
vtm
11-24-04, 08:41 AM
The pipes are copper. I didn't think to measure how much pipe is coming out from the wall, that might be an option for me depending on how long the valves are. I might be able to gain a critical inch or two.
Plumber2000
11-24-04, 08:45 AM
If you see at least 5/8" of copper pipe on the back side of the valves, you can compress new valves on.
vtm
11-29-04, 01:54 PM
Opps, I was wrong (ok way off). I went back and looked. The pipes are chrome and threaded where the shutoff valves are connected. However, the shut-off valves themselves looked very long. I have seen shut-off valves in the hardware store that are about 2 inches in length. The old ones on this sink are 3. So I might be able to gain an inch that way.
I went to Home Depot and took some measurements off a ped sink we liked (and also got the detailed drawings from the American Standard website). The pedestal to wall clearance on that particular sink looked to be around 5 1/2 inches, which is roughly distance of the current shut-off valves from the wall. If I can get smaller shutoff valves, it might work. Of course I am sure these shut-off valves have not been touched for many, many years... just getting them off could be an adventure.
Thanks for the tips and ideas. They help alot.
Vic
I went to Home Depot and took some measurements off a ped sink we liked (and also got the detailed drawings from the American Standard website). The pedestal to wall clearance on that particular sink looked to be around 5 1/2 inches, which is roughly distance of the current shut-off valves from the wall. If I can get smaller shutoff valves, it might work. Of course I am sure these shut-off valves have not been touched for many, many years... just getting them off could be an adventure.
Thanks for the tips and ideas. They help alot.
Vic
arkayassoc
11-29-04, 04:08 PM
I am not convinced you need to change the shutoff valves at all, if you use flexible water suppy tubing between the shutoff valves and the new faucet connection on the pedestal sink.