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New2HP
11-23-04, 02:10 PM
Hi
I live in Canada, Ontario, Ottawa.
I am running a York Split-System Heat Pump, but I don't know much about it. I think it is a 2 ton unit and maybe 10 years old. It is a forced air, oil type system with this coil for HP system in furnace. The system was here when I bought the house last summer, and I don't have any documentation (only small pies of paper with Fault Code - I am assuming that this is a code for reading the stage of external part of HP).
Thermostat Honeywell CT3611 (for heat pump).

The system was working OK during the last summer (I did not see any problems).
Now when is cooler outside, the system behaves very strange. Oil section of the furnace is kicking in quite often specially during the morning hours.

The system has 2 small panels. One panel is attached to furnace unit in my basement. Second panel attached to external HP unit outside. The panel outside is labeled York Guard 4 and have a number of wires and cables with letters and numbers. Wires are labeled and with colors:
O - orange, B - brown, R - red, X - black, 66 - violet, Y - yellow, 60 - blue W- white 53 - green which are connected. S, C. J are not connected.
Panel has more wires but only those wires listed above are coming from thermostat to first panel attached to furnace and coming here to this outside panel. The panel has a small one Green Led which is blinking (I am assuming that Fault Code is for this Green Led).

I am going to describe the strange behavior of the system (temp outside ~ 0 C and humidity). The strange behavior starts during the morning hours when thermostat is calling for heating and setting is jumping from 18 C do 20 C.
1. The oil furnace: starts working (oil pump and blower fun are ON)
The outside unit: Compressor is OFF, Fan is OFF- (HP is not working).
2. After few minutes. The outside unit: Compressor is ON , Fan is OFF. System is in defrosting mode (I see that frozen coil is defrosting) after ~2 minutes the HP’s Fan is starting to run and stops
3. After that only my furnace works - oil pump is ON and blower fun ON. And it does that for many hours. I have situation where oil pump is ON and OFF (like regular oil furnace heating mode) but blower fun never stops (even the setting for the fan on thermostat is in automatic mode). Temperature in the rooms is according to set on thermostat but my HP is not working. I checked sensor which is attached to HP frame and wires are going to York Guard 4 panel. The sensor has 25 K Ohms. (I don’t have any idea what kind of sensor is it)?
I checked voltage when furnace is working (when HP is not working). Wires: O – orange 26V, B –brown 26V, R – red 0V, X – black 5V, 66 – violet 0V, Y – yellow 0V, 60 – blue 0V, W- white 0V, 53 – green 0V.
Like I mentioned the furnace is working and stopping but Blower fan never stops (fan stops only when room temperature riches a set temperature on thermostat). When furnace stops and Blower fan is running the voltage is: Wires: O – orange 26V, B –brown 26V, R – red 0V, X – black 17V, 66 – violet 26V, Y – yellow 0V, 60 – blue 24V, W- white 24V, 53 – green 24V.
Both pipes between inside and outside units are little worm (not hot)
Green led is blinking 2 times (according to my Fault Code: High pres. cut-out opened; what ever it means?)

After 4 hours of this type of working behavior the system will start working in normal way. In my furnace only Blow fan is ON. Oil pump is OFF and outside unit is ON and bigger pipe is hot (very hot) and every think is OK until next morning, when every think starts all over again.
During HP normal operation I measured a voltage: Wires: O – orange 25V, B –brown 25V, R – red 0V, X – black 16V, 66 – violet 25V, Y – yellow 0V, 60 – blue 24V, W- white 25V, 53 – green 0V.
Green Led in York Guard 4 panel never changes his number of blinking and has 2 blinks. It was information on HP unit, that in June 2002 leak was repaired and refrigerant was added.
Any helps are appreciated.
Thanks
Gerry
Ps The voltage was measured between wires and ZERO (ground).

hvac4u
11-23-04, 05:21 PM
very good info.

my thought would be the dual fuel control. if it worked in cooling, (does it still?) something is screwy with the 2 stage heat side of the control. do you have an outdoor stat?

New2HP
11-24-04, 09:22 AM
Hi
Yes, still working in cooling mode.
I have only indoor thermostat (I don’t have any idea about York Guard 4 panel and what sensor it has)
Today the system has the same strange behavior in heating mode but green Led in York Guard 4 panel has seven blinks (according my notes: outdoor sensor open or shorted ???????????)

Gerry

Ed Imeduc
11-24-04, 09:44 AM
I bought the house last summer,

So you dont know if it worked ok last winter are not. Outside there should be a tstat that tells what unit to come on. Like when it gets so cold the HP is turnd off and only the oil should come on.
Very good info. On my papers that O & B you cant have both on the tstat there just one. Could be one is not hooked up in the unit. Thats the change over relay from heat to cool in the ct3611.
Most of the time the wire schematic is inside the panels there, might look.

ED ;)

New2HP
11-24-04, 04:06 PM
There is not an ordinary second thermostat outside.
But maybe the York Guard 4 panel (attached to HP) includes similar device.
I can see (as a part of York Guard 4 panel) small connectors/jumpers labeled: -10, -5, 0, 5, ………………45. Right now there are 2 wires attached to 20 and 40. Those wires can be moved to the different jumpers (it looks like temperature selections, or range, or delta for temperature) in my opinion that can be used for the temperature setup.
Small sensor with different resistance value (sensor has 25 / 22 K Ohms) is attached to panel.
Maybe somebody could give me a direction where I can find more information about York Guard 4 panel.

Thanks
Gerry