Toilets, Sinks, Showers, Tubs and Disposals - Please Help URGENT-Toilet problem
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spidermurphy116
07-07-04, 07:26 AM
About 2 weeks ago I put in a new floor in my upstairs bathroom and naturally removed the toilet. Once finished I put the toilet back in replacing the wax gasket. Everything seemed great, no leaks. This morning the toilet seemed to be plugged but I was able to shut the water off before the toilet overflowed. However, in the kitchen which is directly below this bathroom there was a large amount of water on the floor and could cleary see it was coming from the ceiling. I am confused as to how there could be water coming through the ceiling but no leakage at the toilet. Does anyone have any thoughts?
DUNBAR PLUMBER
07-07-04, 11:22 AM
It sounds like when the toilet was set, the wax ring either squeezed inward restricting the opening into pipe, or you used a horned ring which can and will cause clogs if off-centered.
If you plungered that toilet and the clog was in that area where the plunger pressurized the wax seal, then more than likely the seal was the weak point, allowing the water to go past and leak in the ceiling.
I would pull the toilet off, use a normal wax ring and replace the toilet, making sure that the ring doesn't squeeze inwards, causing a restricted passway into closet arm.
If you plungered that toilet and the clog was in that area where the plunger pressurized the wax seal, then more than likely the seal was the weak point, allowing the water to go past and leak in the ceiling.
I would pull the toilet off, use a normal wax ring and replace the toilet, making sure that the ring doesn't squeeze inwards, causing a restricted passway into closet arm.
spidermurphy116
07-07-04, 01:28 PM
Thank you, I will replace the wax ring tonight. I used the regular one (I think) I don't know what a horned ring is. Sorry for this dumb question, but when you say 'restricting the opening into pipe' do you mean the actual hole in the floor (pipe)?
jatco
07-08-04, 07:32 PM
Yes.
Its a tricky procedure, just based on my limited experience. But, as what was mentioned by Dunbar, if the wax ring is compressed Too much, it may have oooozed inwards, encirciling your waste pipe in the floor, restricting the flow of waste/water.
That, I believe is what he is trying to convey.
I am, by no means a plumber, but I have replaced a number of toilets and this is what I believe he is referring to.
A regular wax ring has wax around its perimeter the same thickness and height all around.
From what I gather, the 'horned' wax fitting, has a 'polystyrene' coned transition piece, built into the wax ring, that is designed to accomoate a 3" or 4" waste line.
This may or may not be what you need, depending on your waste line (ie: the hole in the floor) and its relationship to the toilet 'horn', (what is set to the waste line when put in place)...if that make sense.
Good luck...
And please, let us know how you make out...
........'coz Im alway interested...as are many other here....
Its a tricky procedure, just based on my limited experience. But, as what was mentioned by Dunbar, if the wax ring is compressed Too much, it may have oooozed inwards, encirciling your waste pipe in the floor, restricting the flow of waste/water.
That, I believe is what he is trying to convey.
I am, by no means a plumber, but I have replaced a number of toilets and this is what I believe he is referring to.
A regular wax ring has wax around its perimeter the same thickness and height all around.
From what I gather, the 'horned' wax fitting, has a 'polystyrene' coned transition piece, built into the wax ring, that is designed to accomoate a 3" or 4" waste line.
This may or may not be what you need, depending on your waste line (ie: the hole in the floor) and its relationship to the toilet 'horn', (what is set to the waste line when put in place)...if that make sense.
Good luck...
And please, let us know how you make out...
........'coz Im alway interested...as are many other here....
spidermurphy116
07-14-04, 02:44 PM
The problem was that I did use the wax ring with the black plastic extension. When I removed the toilet it was in fact squished. I'm not sure why I bought that one, I think the guy at H.D. told me to. Anyway I replaced it with just the wax seal and everything is great
Thanks for your help.
Thanks for your help.
Plumber2000
07-15-04, 05:25 AM
This is the reasons code does not allow the horned wax rings under the UPC Code.
jatco
07-15-04, 09:04 AM
This is the reasons code does not allow the horned wax rings under the UPC Code.
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Interesting though. That is the type of wax ring that was sold to me from the local plumbing supplier where I bought my toilet/tank.
I didnt have a problem with my install.
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Interesting though. That is the type of wax ring that was sold to me from the local plumbing supplier where I bought my toilet/tank.
I didnt have a problem with my install.
Plumber2000
07-15-04, 06:21 PM
The plumbing parts stores and supply houses will sell you non code approved parts, it up to the plumbers to know what they to use and not to use.