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Richard
01-01-04, 09:23 AM
I have an electric Carrier heat pump that's 3 years old. About a month ago, the heat wouldn't come on. I eventually discovered a blown 5 amp fuse on the circuit board and replaced it. Everything worked well for a few weeks. Last night, the five amp fuse on the circuit board blew again. Now when I when replace the blown fuse, it immediately blows again when power is supplied. The motor spins freely. Any suggestions on where to start? Thanks from near Atlanta, GA.
mattison
01-02-04, 05:37 AM
If you have a multi-meter you can check for a short probably in the low voltage circuit.
hvac4u
01-02-04, 09:18 AM
remove all low volt wires. hook up the wire going to the tstat one at a time starting with red. if it does not blow, do the same with the outdoor wire. when it blows it will tell us what circuit has the short
Richard
01-03-04, 10:07 AM
Hey, guys! And thanks for the suggestions. It's Saturday, and my husband is all set to address the lack of heat issue. Thankfully, we live outside Atlanta, and it's been unseasonably warm! This morning, Richard armed himself with meters and other guy-like gadgets and addressed the thermostat. Surprise surprise. Oddly, the heater and the AC came on. What gives?
Oops, it just blew again. Back to the drawing board. Would it be worth just installing a new thermostat and see if that will work?
Oops, it just blew again. Back to the drawing board. Would it be worth just installing a new thermostat and see if that will work?
Ed Imeduc
01-03-04, 10:23 AM
Fine out if it is the tstat before you buy one. Just try like Hvac4u said first. Find out where the short is. Tell hubbe to look at the wire schamtic;) ED
Richard
01-03-04, 10:41 AM
We unhooked all the low voltage wires. As soon as I connected the inside red wire, the fuse blew. What do I do now?
Ed Imeduc
01-03-04, 11:17 AM
Now is this all the wires off the tstat and you put the R on R the fuse blowes???;) ED
Richard
01-03-04, 11:27 AM
Yes.
And when I jumped out the red-to-white on the thermostat, everything seemed to work fine. Time to buy a new thermostat?
And when I jumped out the red-to-white on the thermostat, everything seemed to work fine. Time to buy a new thermostat?
hvac4u
01-03-04, 11:30 AM
was ONLY the red going to the tstat connected at time of fuse blowing?
Richard
01-03-04, 11:33 AM
Yes, only the red was connected.
hvac4u
01-03-04, 11:36 AM
sounds strange, to short the fuse, another wire would be needed..it could be shorted to ground, finding its way back to the other side of the transformer. disconnect wires, jump r and y at the unit,,,outdoor should come on, r to green, fan. if this wirks, new wire and maybe tstat, but i just do not see tstat being the problem from here,
Ed Imeduc
01-03-04, 12:04 PM
With hvac4u here all wires off the tstat then jump them. You dont have a C with a wire here on the tstat;) ED
Richard
01-03-04, 12:18 PM
"You dont have a C with a wire here on the tstat"
Huh? I don't understand?
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Hubby is off to get more fuses. Here's what happened in the last round:
1. He jumped red to white; unit kicked on and ran.
2. A few minutes later, this wouldn't work.
He's thinking a short somewhere, but having no luck pinpointing it.
Huh? I don't understand?
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Hubby is off to get more fuses. Here's what happened in the last round:
1. He jumped red to white; unit kicked on and ran.
2. A few minutes later, this wouldn't work.
He's thinking a short somewhere, but having no luck pinpointing it.
Ed Imeduc
01-03-04, 12:22 PM
R is the + from the transformer to the tstat. Then we have the C- also to some tstat from the transformer.;) ED
hvac4u
01-03-04, 12:55 PM
turn off the power, and remove the 2 1/4 screws that hold the board in. do you see any burnt spots on the back?
what ed is referring to is that you must have Red (hot 24 volt transformer) shorted to Common ( the other low voltage side of the transformer) somewhere to blow the fuse...so it almost rules out all but the board, unless the red going to the tstat is touching an electrical box that is grounded, freon line, side of the unit, etc. then it would get back to the other side of your low volt fuse and cause it to blow.
check your PM's i sent you one yesterday.
what ed is referring to is that you must have Red (hot 24 volt transformer) shorted to Common ( the other low voltage side of the transformer) somewhere to blow the fuse...so it almost rules out all but the board, unless the red going to the tstat is touching an electrical box that is grounded, freon line, side of the unit, etc. then it would get back to the other side of your low volt fuse and cause it to blow.
check your PM's i sent you one yesterday.
Richard
01-03-04, 01:56 PM
Ok, don't laugh! Do you mean for us to connect these various colored wires at the thermostat or in the unit in the attic.
The Two Stooges
The Two Stooges
Richard
01-03-04, 01:59 PM
Oops. We just saw your last post. Where do we check PM's?
hvac01453
01-03-04, 02:19 PM
If you had ALL the wires disconnected to the thermostat except the red, and it popped, It will also pop without the red connected!
You need to reconnect the thermostat. Then remove the two wires going to the outdoor unit, try that. If it pops again, you'll know the problem isn't outside. Try that first...then remove the low voltage wiring on the indoor unit, and jump R or RH to W and see what happens.
You need to reconnect the thermostat. Then remove the two wires going to the outdoor unit, try that. If it pops again, you'll know the problem isn't outside. Try that first...then remove the low voltage wiring on the indoor unit, and jump R or RH to W and see what happens.
hvac01453
01-03-04, 02:21 PM
There is always the possibility that someone hung a picture and peirced the control wiring. Especially if the fuse blows without a call....
Richard
01-03-04, 02:32 PM
To simplify things:
1. I started from the beginning and disconnected all low voltage wiring inside and outside.
2. I reconnected each--one at a time--starting with red, white, blue, brown. As soon as I connected the two yellow common wires, the fuse blew.
BTW, when the reds were blowing, I hadn't disconnected the browns and blues.
So, the short is somewhere with the yellow wires?
1. I started from the beginning and disconnected all low voltage wiring inside and outside.
2. I reconnected each--one at a time--starting with red, white, blue, brown. As soon as I connected the two yellow common wires, the fuse blew.
BTW, when the reds were blowing, I hadn't disconnected the browns and blues.
So, the short is somewhere with the yellow wires?
Ed Imeduc
01-03-04, 07:38 PM
If you have an ohm meter. with the low wires all off of the tstat and all off the board you can ring them out and find the short. dont you have a wire schamtic there on the unit in the door? look at it ;) ED
hvac01453
01-03-04, 08:58 PM
I just have this gut feeling that the contactor to the outdoor compressor is shorted. Remove the yellow wire inside the outdoor unit ,and see if it pops. This yellow wire doesn't actually connect to anything in the air handler, only a dummy terminal. Visually check the wire outside and the contactor while your there.