Home Automation - Kitchen Range Wiring

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05-02-00, 09:40 AM
I have a 50+ year old house. The original cable to the 220 volt kitchen range is a two conductor (One black, one red) cable, 4 or 6 ga., surrounded by a stranded wire shield and then covered with a heavy cloth insulation. The wire shield was gathered, twisted together and terminated at the range end and I assume this was the neutral connection. A 40 amp Circuit Breaker feeds this cable. The cable is too short to reach the receptacle for a new range being installed so I plan to add a junction box in the attic area above and to connect an 8 ga., three conductor (with ground) cable from there to the new range receptacle. I am using split bolts to connect the wires in the junction box with rubber splicing tape and a vinyl tape overwrap to insulate them. The range uses a 3 pole, 3 wire, non-grounded plug, so I believe terminating this cable at the receptacle using the proper color sequence should finish it. I will use the ground wire to ground the terminal boxes only. Will this arrangement meet NEC requirements ? Does it sound safe ? And finally what is the color code for 220 volt connections such as this ?


05-02-00, 07:35 PM
hello Richard,
what u have there is probily #6 se cabel and ill bet its alumium wire being that its on a 40 amp breaker. u said u plained on installing a j box in attic and useing 8-3 with ground useing the bare to ground between the boxes. this will not ground the boxes since it does not go to the panel. now u also asked if this would meet the code. this all depends on what year code your area is useing. a 3 wire range will meet the 93 and 96 code but in 99 the code was chainged to require a 4 wire. in my area we r allowed to repair 3 wire range and dryer but any new construction we must install a 4 wire. u need to check with your local building inspection department to c what they require.
what we would do here is install the j box in attic install a new piece of se cabel and wire it back in.

05-03-00, 09:27 AM
That is interesting, the NEC requiring a 4 wire connection, as I just purchased the range. I don't have the range yet so I called the store and they gave me the data on the plug (3 prong. 3 wire, non-grounded). Is it possible they would still be selling an appliance that is no longer NEC compliant ? Or am I just mis-understanding the relationship between the plug and the wiring to the receptacle ?

The original cable has two conductors that consist of 7 strand wire and they are copper. The shield wire is possible 30 strand and may be aluminum (it is silver colored on the outside of the individual strands - maybe a coating ?) but I didn't think they used aluminum 50 years ago and this was definitely the original wiring installed when the house was built. Is this cable safe or should it definitely be replaced ?


05-03-00, 07:27 PM
hello richard,
yes it is verry possabel for a new range to be a 3 prong plug. since u know the range is 3 prong id wire it accordinly. if your old wire is in good condition you shuld be fine useing it. if u determin its in good condition and r going to use it install your j box and add a piece of 8-2 with ground hook the black and white to the covered wire and bare to bare. useing wirenuts it will eather take blue or gray nuts.

05-19-00, 06:04 PM
Done. Thanks for the help Sprky !