Rugs, Carpets and Carpeting - measuring rooms for carpet
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wayne1083
08-15-02, 08:49 PM
My wife had a carpet company come in and measure two bedrooms for carpeting. this guy comes up with 54.67 square yards when the actual square footage of the two counting closets are 402 sq ft which converts to 44.72 square yards. Is this what carpet companies do to inflate their profit hoping the homeowner wont catch it? How much is figured into waste? This carpet place had the cheapest prices on the same brand but the additional square yardage just added on another $250.00
tirebunny
08-16-02, 10:42 PM
I'm not a carpet bunny and don't pretend to be one.
Here are a couple of thoughts, as I look at my carpetless living room....
1. If you use your tape measure and measure length times width, you get square feet. I'm a square yard person, myself.
2. Carpet is only so wide. The figure they came up with may allow for the cutting of the carpet and the additional ( I cannot think of the term) to ensure the nap runs correctly.
3. If the carpet doesn't run together, YOU WILL NOTICE.
4. If you have another company come out, just have the diagram with the measurements on a piece of paper and ask them to explain why there is a big difference. If they are reputable, they will explain it.
5. Actually, you could just go to a Lowe's, Home Depot, Sutherlands, and show them the diagram and they can tell you.
Then get the carpet people back out to the house and ask questions. You will know shortly if they are on the up and up.
Good luck!
Here are a couple of thoughts, as I look at my carpetless living room....
1. If you use your tape measure and measure length times width, you get square feet. I'm a square yard person, myself.
2. Carpet is only so wide. The figure they came up with may allow for the cutting of the carpet and the additional ( I cannot think of the term) to ensure the nap runs correctly.
3. If the carpet doesn't run together, YOU WILL NOTICE.
4. If you have another company come out, just have the diagram with the measurements on a piece of paper and ask them to explain why there is a big difference. If they are reputable, they will explain it.
5. Actually, you could just go to a Lowe's, Home Depot, Sutherlands, and show them the diagram and they can tell you.
Then get the carpet people back out to the house and ask questions. You will know shortly if they are on the up and up.
Good luck!
Carpets Done Wright
08-19-02, 03:22 PM
Tirebunny is on the right track.
This is the very reason I don't EVER go by the clients measurements.
They measure net, and forget the extra 3" needed for doorways.
OK, Carpet Measuring 101
The Carpet & Rug Institute sets the standards for Carpet installation.
Section 9.7 of the Standards.
LATOUT & CUTTING
Following the seaming diagram, cut sufficient length of carpet that will cover the entire length of the cut. Where pattern matches are involved, sufficient carpet must be allowed for the pattern to match, plus extra carpet(3inches) on each cut for trimming.
>>>So each cut gets 3" added to the actual net measurement into the wall, or doorway, if there is one.<<<
Section 8.3 of the Standards.
PILE DIRECTION
Where two or more pieces of the same carpet are adjacent, the pile direction shall run the same as in other areas of the room, unless otherwise specified. Ideally, pile direction shall be toward the entrance, but other factors, such as pattern, aesthetics, and economic use of material, may also be considered.
>>>So in other words, pile direction is very important when putting seams together.<<<
Section 7.5 of the Standards
SEAM LOCATIONS
The customer should be shown the proposed layout, which should include seam locations. The location of the seams should be discussed and agreed upon before any work starts. If a piece of carpet is to be given a quarter turn, the customer should be informed and a written agreement signed.
>>>Why do I get a sign off??? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE DOO-DOO. I don't want to be held responsible.<<<
So because of your room layout and the fact that carpet is produced in 12', 13'6" & 15' wide goods.
You don't want to piece carpet together to make fill. Fill is the carpet needed to complete the rest past the 12' wide point. If the room is 18'x14' Would you want 20 pieces to make up the 2' wide fill needed down the side of the room. Or would you want one "T" seam right down the middle of the room. The less seams the better. Which sometimes means more waste. Have the waste bound for an area rug elsewhere in your home. I charge per foot of seam, for my time to properly make seams, and be able to put a lifetime guaranty on them.
Seams are a unavoidable natural FLAW in the carpet. How many flaws do you want?
Why are you going with the "cheapest" again? They usually don't bump yardage too much, they just don't pay their installers as much as the others. Thus you have the lowest paid guys in town, installing your investment. What kind of installation guaranty are they giving you again? Wrinkles usually appear after the first year. After you pay for the restretching, you could have had it installed right the first time and saved money in the long run. CARPETS SHOULD NOT WRINKLE!! Cheap is not always least expensive.
This is the very reason I don't EVER go by the clients measurements.
They measure net, and forget the extra 3" needed for doorways.
OK, Carpet Measuring 101
The Carpet & Rug Institute sets the standards for Carpet installation.
Section 9.7 of the Standards.
LATOUT & CUTTING
Following the seaming diagram, cut sufficient length of carpet that will cover the entire length of the cut. Where pattern matches are involved, sufficient carpet must be allowed for the pattern to match, plus extra carpet(3inches) on each cut for trimming.
>>>So each cut gets 3" added to the actual net measurement into the wall, or doorway, if there is one.<<<
Section 8.3 of the Standards.
PILE DIRECTION
Where two or more pieces of the same carpet are adjacent, the pile direction shall run the same as in other areas of the room, unless otherwise specified. Ideally, pile direction shall be toward the entrance, but other factors, such as pattern, aesthetics, and economic use of material, may also be considered.
>>>So in other words, pile direction is very important when putting seams together.<<<
Section 7.5 of the Standards
SEAM LOCATIONS
The customer should be shown the proposed layout, which should include seam locations. The location of the seams should be discussed and agreed upon before any work starts. If a piece of carpet is to be given a quarter turn, the customer should be informed and a written agreement signed.
>>>Why do I get a sign off??? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE DOO-DOO. I don't want to be held responsible.<<<
So because of your room layout and the fact that carpet is produced in 12', 13'6" & 15' wide goods.
You don't want to piece carpet together to make fill. Fill is the carpet needed to complete the rest past the 12' wide point. If the room is 18'x14' Would you want 20 pieces to make up the 2' wide fill needed down the side of the room. Or would you want one "T" seam right down the middle of the room. The less seams the better. Which sometimes means more waste. Have the waste bound for an area rug elsewhere in your home. I charge per foot of seam, for my time to properly make seams, and be able to put a lifetime guaranty on them.
Seams are a unavoidable natural FLAW in the carpet. How many flaws do you want?
Why are you going with the "cheapest" again? They usually don't bump yardage too much, they just don't pay their installers as much as the others. Thus you have the lowest paid guys in town, installing your investment. What kind of installation guaranty are they giving you again? Wrinkles usually appear after the first year. After you pay for the restretching, you could have had it installed right the first time and saved money in the long run. CARPETS SHOULD NOT WRINKLE!! Cheap is not always least expensive.